I have had good experiences with D-Link and Netgear powerline adapters.
We've had our TV on a powerline adapter (D-Link) for several years
because I was too lazy to run another drop behind the TV.
The difficult thing to get across is that (1) outlets on different
subpanels will probably not connect, and (2) that the distance measured
is the sum of each outlet to the common point (usually the subpanel, but
see #1).
bp
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On 11/17/2025 12:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Art* not science. I’ve had them work, more often I’ve had them not
work**.
* i.e. magic
** slow with packet loss
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, November 17, 2025 2:18 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FTTH and outbuildings
Im demoing different powerline adapters looking for one thats somewhat
stable. I have a comtrend that did pretty well through 2 sub panels
and a florescent fixture, but not handoff ready, if ever
On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 12:19 PM Josh Luthman
<[email protected]> wrote:
I am looking at making my business scale. I'm not interested in any
a) any copper or b) any PTP radios. We do not make money on making it
easier for these people to get two services. I've had billions of
issues with copper - 10/100/1000 rate issues, water, failures, etc.
I'm not interested in 60 GHz because people will park an RV in front
of it and then it's screwed, causing a truck roll (I avoid truck rolls
like the plague!) Over the summer we've been mostly waiting on BEAD
and just maintenance mode - basically 0 truck rolls. This is what I
want to see over the next 10+ years.
Our general steps are
1) see if our ONT (u6x) covers both buildings
2) add Mesh units (u4m) to try and extend it through houses/outbuildings
3) second service
We tell the customer we will try the steps but if they want the best
option they will need a second service. We waive all installation
costs to the second building on their property. It's a 1x2 splitter
from the original drop and then we Y it off.
On Sun, Nov 16, 2025 at 5:52 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
Can I assume the bigger fiber ISP’s would not offer these options?
Compared to local/regional providers that maybe started out as WISPs?
I will say at least Illinois made an effort to hand out BEAD fiber
awards to local companies. Comcast fiber did get one area by me,
but there’s a consortium of small telcos, and a small WISP/FISP
from a town west of Rockford. They also chose Amazon Kuiper (now
renamed Amazon Leo) over Starlink, I don’t know if Amazon
submitted a more attractive bid, or if it was just to poke a
finger in Elon’s eye.
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, November 16, 2025 12:53 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FTTH and outbuildings
I think it depends on a mishmash of competition, distance, usage,
and what your charity level is.
If it's an outbuilding, then usage will probably be low, but if
it's 1,000 feet away, then it's a significant upgrade.
If the customer is running a business out there, then usage might
be significant, which could justify a separate account.
and... what would your competitors do?
Burying a cable (fiber or copper) is probably a significant
expense, and if it can be cast as an extension, the simplest thing
is T&M for the extension. However, if the usage is that low, then
a PTP link would be simpler, cheaper, and satisfy the usage
requirement.
bp
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On 11/16/2025 9:47 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Now that we’re seeing a lot of rural fiber going in (or will
soon due to BEAD), what is the typical approach when customers
have outbuildings?
Run a second drop and sell them a second service? Give them a
WiFi mesh extender and tell them to put it in the outbuilding
and pray? Bury a fiber or Ethernet cable from the house to
the outbuilding and charge them a one-time fee? Tell them
it’s a home networking problem and call Geek Squad? Assume
WiFi7 “whole home WiFi” is so amazing it will just work?
Some people just have a shed or barn, but lots also use them
for family gatherings or football watch parties and there are
definitely TVs out there. I don’t think this is as common in
the city and suburbs where fiber usually lives.
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