On Dec 16, 2025, at 9:53 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
It must be a challenge if you offer multigigabit service. I see a
GigaSpire 7u10txg on their website and can just imagine what that
must cost. Plus maybe having to dedicate a strand and an ONU port
to that customer.
Presumably 2-10 gigabit plans would be like the Corvette in the
Chevy dealership showroom, you need one to draw customers, who
look at it and then buy a Malibu or Silverado. Do you price 5
Gbps just $20/mo more than 1 Gbps knowing the customer won’t use
the extra bandwidth? But then do you incur a bunch of extra
hardware costs, and do you not worry about it because it’s one
time not recurring cost? And what about mesh extenders, because I
assume the multigig people often have large homes, and the magic
of WiFi7 won’t necessarily work 5 rooms and 2 floors away.
And I believe the FCC requires that you let the customer use their
own router, but does the customer realize how difficult it will be
to actually get those 5 Gbps speedtests they crave while using the
WiFi router they chose and bought from Amazon or Best Buy?
*From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2025 7:40 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix question
Are you using the u6x? I've had an unfair amount of issues with
them when upgrading. Handful of DOAs. As long as I don't touch
them (upgrade EXOS or AXOS), they stay running.
On Mon, Dec 15, 2025 at 5:52 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
We are as small as they come and have been 100% Calix from the
beginning.
*From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, December 15, 2025 12:50 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix question
I know myself and others are pretty small - at least I would think
we are.
On Mon, Dec 15, 2025 at 12:02 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected]>
wrote:
I'd imagine anyone building smaller systems would be in a similar
boat.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2025 10:53:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix question
That one :P
On Mon, Dec 15, 2025 at 11:26 AM Mike Hammett <
[email protected] > wrote:
Which half?
I know someone else has complained about the Adtran purchase
process. Every time you go to your distributor, they have to get
a fresh quote from Adtran about what *YOUR* price is for the qty
of SKU you want.
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Mike Hammett
----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Luthman" < [email protected] >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < [email protected] >
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2025 8:44:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix question
I feel like Mike is the only one with that complaint.
On Mon, Dec 15, 2025 at 8:47 AM Mike Hammett < [email protected] >
wrote:
The Adtran purchase process is dreadful. Their training isn't as
easy to come across.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason McKemie" < [email protected] >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < [email protected] >
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2025 6:32:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix question
I have some Calix active gear in the field, and I was using some
Gigaspire routers. I've since switched to Ubiquiti GPON and it
has been very solid since I started using it, which was several
years ago. Adtran supposedly has a good product line-up and I'm
told it is more reasonable than Calix, although I was never able
to get pricing. The Calix stuff works well, but is best when
you're spending OPM.
On Sun, Dec 14, 2025, 11:40 AM Ken Hohhof < [email protected] > wrote:
Good info all of you.
I started thinking about this when I saw a Reddit post by an ISP
customer who went to the Calix website and said it was “creepy as
hell”. But the post was 6 years ago, and you have to take stuff
people post on the Internet with a grain of salt.
https://www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/gd46zy/my_isp_will_require_the_calix_gigacenter_in_my/
I do remember talking to Calix at a WISPAmerica show, I think the
last one I went to was St. Louis in 2015 so it must have been at
least 10 years ago. The guy was very helpful and I think even
lived near me, but after following up decided my company wasn’t
nearly big enough to use them. Had to create an account, send
people to training, buy direct not through distribution, just to
kick the tires and do a lab eval of the WiFi performance. My
impression was they were for ISPs that would buy equipment by the
truckload, and also they were kind of a no sex before marriage
company, not even a kiss. Take the plunge and commit. But that
was 10 years ago.
Another thing someone else has mentioned to me is ISP customers
look at their router and assume their ISP is named something like
GigaSpire BLAST, and that’s who to call for support. Reminds me
of the old days when lots of people said their Internet provider
was named Linksys. I’m sure many of us had prospective customers
say Internet is free, they use that free provider Linksys, and
question why we wanted to charge them.
From: AF < [email protected] > On Behalf Of Chuck
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2025 8:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix question
I have built 3 different companies using Calix and have had no
problems like you describe below. Xgs in an E7 shelf is pretty
high density. And you dont have to pay monthly if you dont want
their managed router solution. Never had a problem getting equipment.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 14, 2025, at 5:55 AM, Mark Radabaugh < [email protected] >
wrote:
Calix lost me when I needed higher density hardware and all they
ever wanted to talk about was how they were a cloud service
company and look at all our shiny toys you can pay us monthly
for. Yeah - what about actually hooking up customers? Oh, if you
give us a two year forecast of what you want to buy we will hook
you up - just don’t count on them actually having the equipment
when you need it.
Mark
On Dec 13, 2025, at 7:27 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF <
[email protected] > wrote:
Ken,
We use them. First of all their HW just works and works well.
They may seem to be expensive on the MRC, but they bring a bunch
of other services to the table. They will help with marketing,
network engineering, etc. The support is VERY responsive and the
amount of data collected in the service cloud is unbelievable.
This is all they do, managed routers and fiber distribution. They
have to be top notch to survive.
They fit into our business model, but each business if different.
I would say give them a chance to give you a proposal. See what
they bring to the table. Maybe it is a fit, maybe not.
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Best regards,
Mark mailto: [email protected]
Myakka Communications
www.Myakka.com <http://www.myakka.com/>
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Saturday, December 13, 2025, 1:51:56 PM, you wrote:
I assume some of the folks on this list who are doing fiber use
Calix ONTs and routers?
If I go to the Calix website, maybe as a provider thinking of
using them as a vendor, I am totally confused. It is not clear
what products they sell or how I would use them. It all seems to
be glossy marketing stuff about their agentic AI cloud and market
insights. I don’t see a single picture of a piece of hardware.
Is this how a lot of ISPs are making money despite charging low
prices? Do they have an “agentic workforce” monitoring how their
customers use the Internet, cross referencing it to demographics,
and mining that data for ads, upselling, etc.? It seems they have
special cloud features for MDU managers as well.
It seems a lot of cable companies use Amazon’s eero, I wonder if
service provider eero is like Calix, or if it’s just the retail
eero with a few remote management features added.
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