Fair enough, I think small l liberals and small c conservatives have more in common than not.
I don't dislike ALL of the policies that have been implemented by this administration, just most of them. Point taken on the trolling, it's not my thing, but I have a friend that loves to troll the snowflake-du-jour online, the right has every bit as many of those as the left - including a few people pretty high up. On Sat, Jan 24, 2026 at 3:13 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > Well I guess the big L ranters with TDS is who I was meaning. I would > consider Bill small l liberal, Ken too. > > > > Myself I am probably a small c. Big Cs would call me a RINO probably. > > I think of myself as libertarian/Christian. > > > > I think Trump deserves tons of criticism. I loathe the human being but I > like some of the policies and campaign promises kept. Less than 3 years > left to run. > > He is still in his reality TV world. > > > > But it is fun to troll big Ls until they go all foaming at the mouth. Is > that bad…… 😉 > > > > Best Regards, > > Chuck McCown > > McCown Technology Corporation > > 8401 N Commerce Drive > > Lake Point, Utah 84074 > > 801-250-9503 Office > > www.microtrench-blades.com > > www.mccowntech.com > > www.terabitnetworks.com > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie > *Sent:* Saturday, January 24, 2026 12:22 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland > > > > I'm not a fan of liberal being used in a pejorative sense. I'm a centrist > and consider myself a small-l liberal, Google AI sums it up nicely: > > > > "A "small-l liberal" (lowercase 'l') refers to a person who believes in > core liberal principles like individual rights, free speech, and limited > government intervention, without necessarily adhering to a specific party > (like a "Big L" Liberal Party) or all modern progressive/leftist ideas, > often focusing more on personal freedoms and market economics than > expansive social programs. It's a broader, often classical or centrist, > approach to liberalism emphasizing personal autonomy and responsible > governance." > > > > The crazy lefties somehow stole this from us and the right ran with it. > > > > It does get a bit tiresome banging one's head against a wall with > discussions about our dear leader though. > > > > I also find it interesting that people who call themselves conservative > get very defensive when someone criticizes the current administration. This > administration's economic policies are quite lefty - government taking > shares in multiple companies, levying high taxes, etc. > > > > This administration also loves to play this angle wherein the US is a > victim and being taken advantage of by our allies. We are the richest > country in the world and have benefitted massively from the post-WWII world > order. Now we're shitting on allies, to what end? Our national defense is a > collective effort, and were made safer and more prosperous through our > alliances. The administration now wants to increase defense spending to 1.5 > trillion dollars (600 billion increase), presumably to help compensate for > the alliances we are fraying or outright destroying. This is pure hubris > and ignorance, and I'm disgusted by it. > > > > This is also serving to make our national debt far worse, something both > of the political parties refuse to deal with, so they just keep kicking it > down the road. Difficult decisions need to be made soon before > circumstances make them for us. > > > > None of this is even touching on the obvious moral bankruptcy of our > president, and many of the people working with him. > > > > I'll stop ranting for now, but we need to come back to the center as a > country. > > > > On Sat, Jan 24, 2026, 11:33 AM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: > > If I did move the list to my own servers it would probably update faster…. > But I am lazy….. > > Interesting, seems only liberals get pissed and leave. I wonder what a > sociologist would have to say about that… > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:19 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland > > > > Yeah…. I love a good pot stir. > > > > I think you would fail the Turing test for the wrong reasons though… > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Bill Prince > *Sent:* Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:05 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland > > > > Especially with AIs like me stirring the pot. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 1/24/2026 8:47 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > You got three choices” > > > > Take your own advice and “don’t post this political shit. “ > > Because it is all opinion. Full of falsehoods, rhetoric, hyperbole and > minor particles of truth totally surrounded by horseshit. Yours more than > most in my opinion. > > > > Or just sit back and enjoy the game. > > > > Or you can leave. Like you say, it is a terrible platform… Why would > you want to even hang around here… > > > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Ryan Ray > *Sent:* Friday, January 23, 2026 7:41 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland > > > > I just went back and looked, and my first post here was in 2012. So maybe > not 20 years here, but 13. > > > > I can remember some pretty garbage times on this list every time politics > get raised, even to the point of certain people leaving, because this is a > terrible platform to trump(et) your views. Been on the internet for over 30 > years and not once have I seen sane political discourse on message boards > or social media. It's even worse with astroturfing in every direction, > literal bots riling up people in whatever direction Russia or India or > China wants. You've seen it, you've seen the bot problems on all social > media, and yet David talks about the USA standing up to Russia like they're > doing fucking anything about it. Other countries try to get rid of the > garbage social media companies from the USA and trumpster unilaterally > threatens tariffs and cries like a little baby. > > > > The fact that the USA has gone so far down the path that you literally > have a man who apparently can do whatever they want with no consequences is > the broke brain part of my statements. A literal rapist, thief. Cool. Nice > job. You guys did it. Build the wall and ya'll can sort each-other out. > > > > Pick and choose your platforms, figure out what is real and what isn't. Go > talk to people in the physical world. You'll get to understand your fellow > man a lot quicker and if your aim is to make change. > > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 5:51 PM Chuck <[email protected]> wrote: > > OT in the subject line frequently means political shit. Many have been > hanging here 20 years. We can bitch without having social media algorithms > listening. There is an animal farm FB group but it is unused. I think.. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jan 23, 2026, at 5:56 PM, Ryan Ray <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > David, you are honestly clueless, there is nothing that can be said to you > to get you to see the light. This is extremely typical with your ilk. You > can see it in your responses of things like "libs" or "the left" > > > > Have a good day, stop posting political shit here. > > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 4:49 PM David Hannum via AF <[email protected]> > wrote: > > See the response when you give a response that has thought behind it! > Libs just resort to personal insults. It's all they have. No rebuttals, > just personal attacks. Sad . . . > > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2026, 7:44 PM Ryan Ray <[email protected]> wrote: > > <image.png> > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 12:25 PM David Hannum via AF <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I disagree. I don't think our allies distrust us. They don't LIKE lots > of what Trump does, I think they see strength. I think they see "America > First" and they respect that because they understand that as the USA goes, > they go. They need a stron, unapologetic US who will stick their finger in > the face of Russia and China. They need us to be like that because they > can't/won't be like that for themselves. The European nations are all > followers - not leaders. Biden & Obama did not lead. Obama was > apologetic of the success of the US. My biggest fear is what comes AFTER > Trump? Every country in the world can't be equal. Nothing gets done. And > China and Russia aren't going to play that game. > > > > Dave > > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 3:13 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: > > It's still totally unnecessary, and does nothing but create confusion and > distrust. If you want our allies to distrust us, then do shit like this. > > May actually be too late. They already distrust us, and China and Russia > are loving it. Just look at what Carney said. > > Stick an arrow pointing out of his ass, and that's probably where we > should be going. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 1/22/2026 9:07 AM, David Hannum via AF wrote: > > Even if it is what existed before, the world is on notice that we are > planning to deploy defense systems there. So yea, it's still a win and > Trump can take a victory lap (like he needs a reason . . . ) > > > > Dave > > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 11:47 AM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: > > Even though it was Wednesday, I will call it a TACO day (follow the stock > market). > > There are zero details of what the "deal" is or isn't, and I'm betting > it's essentially what existed before. > > Prove me wrong. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 1/22/2026 7:43 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > > Looks like Trump got the deal he wanted. Everyone is happy :). > > Rory > > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 7:11 AM MVTVWISPA <[email protected]> > wrote: > > David- > > > > I too read that exact information from Facebook posts word for word. > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *David Hannum via AF > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2026 3:33 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Cc:* David Hannum <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - Greenland > > > > So many think Trump is a bully on Greenland . . . If you think he's so > terrible, you absolutely don’t know history. > > > > 1) 1867 – Andrew Johnson: explored buying Greenland & Iceland (right > after Alaska). > > 2) WWII – FDR: U.S. took over Greenland’s defense while Denmark was > occupied. > 3) 1946 – Truman: offered $100M in gold to buy it. > 4) Cold War – Eisenhower → Kennedy: nonstop negotiations for bases, > radar, missiles. > 5) Post–Cold War – Clinton/Bush/Obama: expanded Arctic security & missile > defense. > 6) 2019 – Trump: said publicly what presidents discussed privately for > 150+ years. > > The U.S. didn’t “suddenly” want Greenland. > It’s been defending it, negotiating it, and embedding there since the > 1800s. > Greenland = Arctic power, shipping lanes, missiles, minerals. > Trump didn’t invent it. His crime is he said the quiet part out loud. > > ======================= > > NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte said on Jan. 21 at the World Economic > Forum in Davos, Switzerland, that Trump is spot on about the importance of > Greenland to security. He said, "When it comes to the Arctic, I think > President Trump is right. Other leaders in NATO are right. We need to > defend the Arctic. There are eight countries bordering on the Arctic. > Seven are members of NATO. That’s Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, > Iceland, Canada, and the U.S.,” Rutte said. > "And there’s only one country bordering on the Arctic outside NATO, and > that’s Russia. And I would argue there is a ninth country, which is China, > which is increasingly active in the Arctic region. So, President Trump and > other leaders are right, we have to do more there; we have to protect the > Arctic." > > > > Dave Hannum > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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