Trump Bad, Trump Good, ICE Bad, ICE Good, Renee Bystander, Renee Domestic
Terrorist, Alex Bystander, Alex Domestic Terrorist. It is pointless to discuss
these topics. People are too far entrenched in their opinions. Nothing one
side can say will ever change the mind of the other side. The two sides will
watch the exact same videos and come up with polar opposite opinions of what
happened. Even if something is proven as complete fact by one side, it will be
dismissed as false news or a cover up by the other side.
My question is why Minnesota, specifically Minneapolis and St. Paul. Why has
it become so violent and filled with hate just there. We do not see this level
of hate anywhere else in the country. ICE seems to be making arrests without
incident all around the rest of the country.
What makes an intelligent man (ICU Nurse) decide he is going to grab his gun
and go fight ICE agents. What happen to this man's thought process? Does
anyone here have that level of hate where they will decide to grab their gun
and venture out in sub-zero weather looking to pick a fight with armed ICE
agents?
When did it become acceptable to storm a church during a service? Protest
outside if you want, but storming in during a service. Where did this hate
come from. Trump or Waltz, depends what side you are on. I pretty sure the
people storming the church had more hate than the people inside the church in
this case.
The ICE agents are there to do a job, like it or not. I don't understand when
it became acceptable to interfere in an arrest that you know nothing about.
You may agree or disagree with Trump's policies, but that does not mean you can
interfere with law enforcement doing their job. Like it or not, believe it or
not, they are arresting some bad people. They also are making some
questionable arrests. But being an "observer" that knows nothing about what
the arrest is about and interfering in not the answer.
This is only going to get worst. The ICE agents are very skittish with good
reason. One could argue that in most situations they may be in fear of their
lives. It is just a matter of time before an ICE agent is killed. There will
be more "observer" deaths. Some will celebrate while others rage. End of the
day it is very sad whenever someone dies for no good reason.
Some will say Trump just has to back down, others will say Waltz needs to get
control of his State. I fear neither of these men will do this and more deaths
will result.
Blame whoever you want, continue the name calling, continue the fear mongering,
fuel the hate, It is truly a sad time in our history.
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Best regards,
Mark mailto:[email protected]
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Sunday, January 25, 2026, 3:01:58 PM, you wrote:
> So what I am hearing from you, Chuck, between the lines, is that you abet the
> murder of Alex Pretti? That the actions of ICE in MN is ok because of the
> premise of removing "illegal" immigrants?
> Come on I thought you understood that the legitimacy of a small good isn't
> justification of evil. The lies that were put forth right off the bat in
> the murder of Alex are not, in any circumstance, justifiable. Not to someone
> who truly believes the Mormon religion.
> I am not Mormon, but a large part of my family is. And they are some of
> the best people I am related to.
> I stay in this shit filled room because I believe that just leaving doesn't
> do anything to clean up the crap.
> Your saying that part of what DJT does justifies the rest of what he does
> sounds like those who looked the other way in Germany in 1936. OH look he
> has saved the economy and built the autobahn. Look deeper into the
> government and economy that Hitler built and you find it was all debt
> financing and without the war is was just about to destroy itself. And
> guess what is going on in the US right now. EXACTLY THE SAME.
> I consider myself centrist. But there is now and never a way to justify the
> way that ICE is violating the constitution and the blessing of that by the
> current administration. This has nothing to do with previous
> administrations except for the contribution that they had in creating
> justifications for people to create what we have Now.. Now we have to be
> clear that what is going on is NOT ok. And being indifferent to it is
> abetting it. Going and saying that people who are being aghast at what is
> going on have TDS is saying you are on the side of the federal government
> taking people filming or helping someone up off the street and killing them
> is a country that is good with you. Basically you are agreeing with the
> tenants of a National Socialist Workers Party. And that anyone who isn't is
> subject to Jail and death. You can kick me out of this group if you want
> but taunting me to leave or shut up isn't going to work. That's what
> bullies do.
> I am directing this to you, Chuck, because you are/were the heart of this
> list. The members here are hear because of what you gathered around you,
> very much including me. To find out you bless someone of what DJT does
> makes it alright for what else he does sounds like the teasings of the devil
> have embraced you. And that makes me sad.
> On 1/25/26 8:51 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> I used to believe that the big L Democrats, AKA "party of the elites" were
>> full of educated, well read, literate, urbane, compassionate basket weavers
>> – But when one does ad hominim postings like this, devoid of example and
>> cogent argument – kinda proves the point that big L TDS folk are more
>> hateful and ignorant than the illiterate, unwashed, toothless, rednecked,
>> guns and god, deplorables.
>>
>> QED
>>
>> But yet you remain in the shit filled room… odd.
>>
>>
>> From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dietrich Rushing via
>> AF
>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2026 8:05 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Cc: Dietrich Rushing <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
>>
>> When your in a shit fill room, aren't the smartest people the ones who leave
>> first?
>> Hard to think anyone with a brain would ever support Trump or MAGA.
>> All the calls for "no talk of politics" is delusional when its this
>> impactful to everyones lives, typically spewed by "the right" cowards and
>> other deplorables who can't defend their positions.
>> On 1/24/26 11:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> If I did move the list to my own servers it would probably update faster….
>>> But I am lazy…..
>>> Interesting, seems only liberals get pissed and leave. I wonder what a
>>> sociologist would have to say about that…
>>>
>>> From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:19 AM
>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
>>>
>>> Yeah…. I love a good pot stir.
>>>
>>> I think you would fail the Turing test for the wrong reasons though…
>>>
>>> From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:05 AM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
>>>
>>> Especially with AIs like me stirring the pot.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>> On 1/24/2026 8:47 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>> You got three choices”
>>>>
>>>> Take your own advice and “don’t post this political shit. “
>>>> Because it is all opinion. Full of falsehoods, rhetoric, hyperbole and
>>>> minor particles of truth totally surrounded by horseshit. Yours more than
>>>> most in my opinion.
>>>>
>>>> Or just sit back and enjoy the game.
>>>>
>>>> Or you can leave. Like you say, it is a terrible platform… Why would
>>>> you want to even hang around here…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2026 7:41 PM
>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
>>>>
>>>> I just went back and looked, and my first post here was in 2012. So maybe
>>>> not 20 years here, but 13.
>>>>
>>>> I can remember some pretty garbage times on this list every time politics
>>>> get raised, even to the point of certain people leaving, because this is a
>>>> terrible platform to trump(et) your views. Been on the internet for over
>>>> 30 years and not once have I seen sane political discourse on message
>>>> boards or social media. It's even worse with astroturfing in every
>>>> direction, literal bots riling up people in whatever direction Russia or
>>>> India or China wants. You've seen it, you've seen the bot problems on all
>>>> social media, and yet David talks about the USA standing up to Russia like
>>>> they're doing fucking anything about it. Other countries try to get rid of
>>>> the garbage social media companies from the USA and trumpster unilaterally
>>>> threatens tariffs and cries like a little baby.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that the USA has gone so far down the path that you literally
>>>> have a man who apparently can do whatever they want with no consequences
>>>> is the broke brain part of my statements. A literal rapist, thief. Cool.
>>>> Nice job. You guys did it. Build the wall and ya'll can sort each-other
>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>> Pick and choose your platforms, figure out what is real and what isn't. Go
>>>> talk to people in the physical world. You'll get to understand your fellow
>>>> man a lot quicker and if your aim is to make change.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 5:51 PM Chuck <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> OT in the subject line frequently means political shit. Many have been
>>>>> hanging here 20 years. We can bitch without having social media
>>>>> algorithms listening. There is an animal farm FB group but it is unused.
>>>>> I think..
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> On Jan 23, 2026, at 5:56 PM, Ryan Ray <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David, you are honestly clueless, there is nothing that can be said to
>>>>>> you to get you to see the light. This is extremely typical with your
>>>>>> ilk. You can see it in your responses of things like "libs" or "the
>>>>>> left"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a good day, stop posting political shit here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 4:49 PM David Hannum via AF <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> See the response when you give a response that has thought behind it!
>>>>>>> Libs just resort to personal insults. It's all they have. No
>>>>>>> rebuttals, just personal attacks. Sad . . .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026, 7:44 PM Ryan Ray <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> <image.png>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 12:25 PM David Hannum via AF <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I disagree. I don't think our allies distrust us. They don't LIKE
>>>>>>>>> lots of what Trump does, I think they see strength. I think they see
>>>>>>>>> "America First" and they respect that because they understand that as
>>>>>>>>> the USA goes, they go. They need a stron, unapologetic US who will
>>>>>>>>> stick their finger in the face of Russia and China. They need us to
>>>>>>>>> be like that because they can't/won't be like that for themselves.
>>>>>>>>> The European nations are all followers - not leaders. Biden & Obama
>>>>>>>>> did not lead. Obama was apologetic of the success of the US. My
>>>>>>>>> biggest fear is what comes AFTER Trump? Every country in the world
>>>>>>>>> can't be equal. Nothing gets done. And China and Russia aren't
>>>>>>>>> going to play that game.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 3:13 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> It's still totally unnecessary, and does nothing but create
>>>>>>>>>> confusion and distrust. If you want our allies to distrust us, then
>>>>>>>>>> do shit like this.
>>>>>>>>>> May actually be too late. They already distrust us, and China and
>>>>>>>>>> Russia are loving it. Just look at what Carney said.
>>>>>>>>>> Stick an arrow pointing out of his ass, and that's probably where we
>>>>>>>>>> should be going.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/22/2026 9:07 AM, David Hannum via AF wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Even if it is what existed before, the world is on notice that we
>>>>>>>>>>> are planning to deploy defense systems there. So yea, it's still a
>>>>>>>>>>> win and Trump can take a victory lap (like he needs a reason . . . )
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 11:47 AM Bill Prince <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Even though it was Wednesday, I will call it a TACO day (follow
>>>>>>>>>>>> the stock market).
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are zero details of what the "deal" is or isn't, and I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> betting it's essentially what existed before.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove me wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/22/2026 7:43 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks like Trump got the deal he wanted. Everyone is happy :).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 7:11 AM MVTVWISPA
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I too read that exact information from Facebook posts word for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> word.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Hannum via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AF
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2026 3:33 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: David Hannum <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So many think Trump is a bully on Greenland . . . If you think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's so terrible, you absolutely don’t know history.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) 1867 – Andrew Johnson: explored buying Greenland & Iceland
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (right after Alaska).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) WWII – FDR: U.S. took over Greenland’s defense while Denmark
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was occupied.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) 1946 – Truman: offered $100M in gold to buy it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) Cold War – Eisenhower → Kennedy: nonstop negotiations for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bases, radar, missiles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5) Post–Cold War – Clinton/Bush/Obama: expanded Arctic security
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & missile defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6) 2019 – Trump: said publicly what presidents discussed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> privately for 150+ years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The U.S. didn’t “suddenly” want Greenland.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s been defending it, negotiating it, and embedding there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since the 1800s.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greenland = Arctic power, shipping lanes, missiles, minerals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump didn’t invent it. His crime is he said the quiet part out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loud.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =======================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte said on Jan. 21 at the World
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, that Trump is spot on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the importance of Greenland to security. He said, "When
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it comes to the Arctic, I think President Trump is right. Other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaders in NATO are right. We need to defend the Arctic. There
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are eight countries bordering on the Arctic. Seven are members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of NATO. That’s Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada, and the U.S.,” Rutte said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And there’s only one country bordering on the Arctic outside
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NATO, and that’s Russia. And I would argue there is a ninth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, which is China, which is increasingly active in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctic region. So, President Trump and other leaders are right,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have to do more there; we have to protect the Arctic."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave Hannum
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
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