We do have one that works for the 320. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 1:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity
I love the WB surge protectors, it sucks they dont work for 320. That exterior data only jack is freaking awesome. The only thing I hate about them is that sunce theyre not like the 600SS which you have to screw the cover on for it to stay they have the latch and the screw and the lazy installers never tighten the screw, so we are always replacing them when the wind blows them open and they fill with water. Thats not a design issue its a moron issue, you cant design around that. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Adam Moffett via Af <[email protected]> wrote: The code part is debatable. An antenna cable would definitely need to be grounded somehow, but we're bringing the low voltage data cable into the house, not an antenna cable. If that needs a surge protector, then so does every doorbell, camera, sensor, landscaping light, and so on. Whether it's a good idea and whether it's required by code are two separate points though. It's definitely a good idea. And also if you have to do a cable rerun or move the antenna, you can do it without requiring the customer to be home. If I remember right (Chuck or somebody can probably confirm this), you should be doing this anyway due to electrical code requirements (grounding before entry into the home). Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 10:59 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Yeah, I had thought about those (and the WB versions). It's a hassle that may be worth doing to avoid other hassles. Would also provide a point to test from that's outside if necessary. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Josh Reynolds via Af" mailto:[email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 12:55:56 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity If you use the new UBNT surge protectors* (or something like them), then your outdoor run would technically terminate at that box, and then you'd have a second (probably much shorter) run from that box into the home. It would be much more likely for the primarily 'outdoor' cable to have water in it than the much shorter run inside the home. Also, we always slice the bottom of our drip loops to let water weep out. [* - I have no idea if these are shipping] Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 04:20 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: I used to be really excited about all-in-one CPE units until I realized that where now I have to change out the occasional PoE due to water\lightning\whatever damage... then I'd have to change out the entire unit. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Darin Steffl via Af" mailto:[email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2014 4:25:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity Chris Sisler - RF Armor has/is creating a Customer AP with POE built-in but it doesn't have a display as far as I know to show status or anything like that. He is working on getting out the Tower/WISP switches first I think and then the Customer AP. http://www.netonix.com/cap-fxs-1.html On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 4:18 PM, TJ Trout via Af <[email protected]> wrote: I would love to find a router that has poe output and all of the diagnostic features you mentioned. It would be nice if the customer could just look at the router to see the status of the connection up down or otherwise. On Oct 5, 2014 2:13 PM, "Chris Fabien via Af" <[email protected]> wrote: I'd say you are correct. Would love to have the functionality but even at $75 I couldn't justify the cost. On Oct 5, 2014 5:08 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af" <[email protected]> wrote: Following up on the previous email about product ideas, I have an idea for a product which at least I think would be really cool, but I also think would likely be a big flop, just because of the apparent cost sensitivity of installs. It seems to me that it would be nice to replace the power injector at customer sites with more of an intelligent device. One that provides functionality like traffic metering, cable diagnostics, customer-location speed tests, and so on. The unit would have jacks for the radio, the customer equipment, and power. It would also have a display which shows real-time usage data for the customer to be able to determine for themselves what their current internet consumption is. There are a lot of natural outgrowths from this such as watchdog reset of the radio itself, automatic problem notification to the WISP, etc. My goal would be to instrument this as much as possible. If you think of this as a 'smart power meter' for internet, with diagnostic tools built in, then you've got the basic idea. This is not intended to replace the customer router/nat device, and will only be a Layer 2 device as far as traffic goes. There will likely be some limited traffic shaping possible based on the underlying ethernet swtich chipset. Unfortunately, these can't be a $20 device. $75 might be doable for higher volumes, but $100 is more in the comfort zone for the volumes I typically move. Of course, this is a CPE device and I'm not even sure how many I'd sell so these prices are guesses at best - but more likely to go down instead of up. Although I suspect most people would love to have one of these at each install, I have a hard time believing that most people would swallow adding even $75 to the cost of each install, let alone the $100 which might be the price I'd have to hit for lower volume. Is this a fair assumption? Would you add such a device to each install? -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi Like us on Facebook -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. 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