We decided to use indoor/outdoor drop and run fiber to a 2011 at desktop or in utility area. Avoids poe injector which can be confusing for customer and generate service cslls. On Oct 12, 2014 6:35 PM, "Jason McKemie via Af" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I put the RB in an outdoor case and run cat5e out to it. Fiber terminates > at the closure. When I was using standard ONTs I ran a separate DC power > wire to the UPS/power supply inside of the house. > > -Jason > > On Sunday, October 12, 2014, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> I figured you'd want to enter the house where most other things enter the >> house...the fiber/mtik would be on the outside of the house? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Jason Pond via Af >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 12, 2014 3:33 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza >> >> So Yes you can use POE with the MT units but I would just run fiber as >> far as you can to a power location. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Jason Pond >> >> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:43 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> stupid question, but i know the fiber mikrotik stuff / demarc still >>> needs power. what if the point you enter the house does not have power >>> right there? how do you hook that up? utilize POE in some shape, form, or >>> fashion? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Gino Villarini via Af >>> *To:* <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:10 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza >>> >>> Still using the firce10 switches? >>> >>> Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!! >>> >>> >>> On Oct 12, 2014, at 1:35 AM, Sterling Jacobson via Af <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Our ROI is 5 years. We fund per neighborhood and usually come out >>> easily paying out the 5 years monthly on the loan plus plenty left over for >>> operations. >>> >>> Our build costs to the home are skewed because we build at cost. >>> >>> It’s going to vary a lot by your market and circumstance. >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via >>> Af >>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:58 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza >>> >>> Any numbers on what it costs to serve an average urban or suburban >>> neighborhood per home ? Trying to get some ideas if we can afford the >>> investment in fiber. >>> >>> Like what would it cost to serve say 100 or 200 homes? And idea on roi >>> if you were paying for the fiber to be laid like I will be? >>> >>> On Oct 11, 2014 9:46 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hybrid model, I bring bandwidth in via wireless to the neighborhood >>> and set up a cabinet that serves all the houses in active Ethernet fiber. >>> >>> GPON is ok, but in this model so much of the expense was burial of >>> conduit that it really didn’t make sense to just pull for GPON. >>> >>> Plus GPON restricts you to a specific vendor market. >>> >>> My model might not scale to thousands of installs a month, but it >>> works for hundreds a POP. >>> >>> A POP is about $15k for 200+ connections completely contained and >>> redundant. >>> >>> The end points and fiber construction are on top of that of course. >>> >>> That is the major expense, the labor to bore and trench and splice >>> hella ton of conduit, boxes and fiber strands. >>> >>> My entire GigE NID/ONT setup is less than $100 installed though. >>> >>> Buried conduit all the way to the side of the house, and fiber to the >>> NID. >>> >>> It’s built to last, the conduit and fiber being our biggest expense and >>> asset. >>> >>> Mikrotik “ONT” and off the shelf lasers from china for next to nothing. >>> >>> I haven’t seen any cheaper ONT setup than what we do, and it’s full >>> GigE. >>> >>> The only piece of the puzzle I’m missing to do 10GigE to the home is a >>> cheaper transceiver. >>> >>> I’m sure that will come next year. Sky’s the limit once the fiber is in >>> the ground on a one to one basis with the switch and the ONT. >>> >>> We leave enough fiber to do a pair at the house, though everything is >>> BIDI right now. >>> >>> I don’t believe in VoIP or TV, so it’s all Ethernet. The customer can >>> get their traditional phone and TV elsewhere. >>> >>> Which is nice for regulations because we dodge every single headache I >>> used to have with a WISP. >>> >>> This fiber stuff is soooooooooooooooo much better and easier. >>> >>> Costs more though. >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jason Pond via >>> Af >>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:03 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza >>> >>> So enlighten us to what you are doing Sterling. So far so good. >>> >>> Tomorrow will answer some more. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Jason Pond >>> Owner >>> Grizzly Internet, Inc >>> [email protected] >>> >>> On Oct 11, 2014 6:36 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Anyone there that would like to update? >>> >>> I couldn't make it. >>> >>> Not sure that I would have gotten anything out of it anyways. >>> >>> I don't use any equipment from any of the sponsors/vendors of fiber >>> weekend. >>> >>> I'm just curious if they are all talking/preaching the same >>> ONT/deployment strategies as usual? >>> >>> I wonder how close they are to what I am doing. >>> >>> >>
