Yeah. It was a little ugly. It pretty much boiled down to: if you are placing wires that could have current placed on them then you should be an electrician. (Read that sentence carefully for humor and horror!)
Just check your local code interpretations to not get smacked. ryan -- D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc broadband | telco | colo | community PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284 360-799-0552 | gtalk:[email protected] > On Oct 13, 2014, at 11:01, Sterling Jacobson via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > > Oh wow! > > That’s like every single WISP operator then! > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott via Af > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:45 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza > > Check your local electrical codes for wiring power over Ethernet. > > Things got sticky in WA state over this issue and it took considerable effort > to change the electrical rules. > > ryan > > On Oct 13, 2014, at 07:38, Sterling Jacobson via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yeah GigE PoE. > > The GigE PoE adapters are cheap and work well with the RB260 models. > > I like it that way, then the customer can decide if they want to put on 100 > hours of battery backup or not. > > We just maintain the outside device at the Demarc on the side of their house. > > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 12:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza > > > stupid question, but i know the fiber mikrotik stuff / demarc still needs > power. what if the point you enter the house does not have power right > there? how do you hook that up? utilize POE in some shape, form, or fashion? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gino Villarini via Af > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:10 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza > > Still using the firce10 switches? > > Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!! > > > On Oct 12, 2014, at 1:35 AM, Sterling Jacobson via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > > Our ROI is 5 years. We fund per neighborhood and usually come out easily > paying out the 5 years monthly on the loan plus plenty left over for > operations. > Our build costs to the home are skewed because we build at cost. > It’s going to vary a lot by your market and circumstance. > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:58 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza > Any numbers on what it costs to serve an average urban or suburban > neighborhood per home ? Trying to get some ideas if we can afford the > investment in fiber. > > Like what would it cost to serve say 100 or 200 homes? And idea on roi if you > were paying for the fiber to be laid like I will be? > > On Oct 11, 2014 9:46 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hybrid model, I bring bandwidth in via wireless to the neighborhood and set > up a cabinet that serves all the houses in active Ethernet fiber. > GPON is ok, but in this model so much of the expense was burial of conduit > that it really didn’t make sense to just pull for GPON. > Plus GPON restricts you to a specific vendor market. > My model might not scale to thousands of installs a month, but it works for > hundreds a POP. > A POP is about $15k for 200+ connections completely contained and redundant. > The end points and fiber construction are on top of that of course. > That is the major expense, the labor to bore and trench and splice hella ton > of conduit, boxes and fiber strands. > My entire GigE NID/ONT setup is less than $100 installed though. > Buried conduit all the way to the side of the house, and fiber to the NID. > It’s built to last, the conduit and fiber being our biggest expense and asset. > Mikrotik “ONT” and off the shelf lasers from china for next to nothing. > I haven’t seen any cheaper ONT setup than what we do, and it’s full GigE. > The only piece of the puzzle I’m missing to do 10GigE to the home is a > cheaper transceiver. > I’m sure that will come next year. Sky’s the limit once the fiber is in the > ground on a one to one basis with the switch and the ONT. > We leave enough fiber to do a pair at the house, though everything is BIDI > right now. > I don’t believe in VoIP or TV, so it’s all Ethernet. The customer can get > their traditional phone and TV elsewhere. > Which is nice for regulations because we dodge every single headache I used > to have with a WISP. > This fiber stuff is soooooooooooooooo much better and easier. > Costs more though. > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jason Pond via Af > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza > So enlighten us to what you are doing Sterling. So far so good. > > Tomorrow will answer some more. > > Sincerely, > > Jason Pond > Owner > Grizzly Internet, Inc > [email protected] > > On Oct 11, 2014 6:36 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" <[email protected]> wrote: > Anyone there that would like to update? > > I couldn't make it. > > Not sure that I would have gotten anything out of it anyways. > > I don't use any equipment from any of the sponsors/vendors of fiber weekend. > > I'm just curious if they are all talking/preaching the same ONT/deployment > strategies as usual? > > I wonder how close they are to what I am doing.
