Oh wow!
That’s like every single WISP operator then!
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Spott
via Af
*Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 11:45 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza
Check your local electrical codes for wiring power over Ethernet.
Things got sticky in WA state over this issue and it took
considerable effort to change the electrical rules.
ryan
On Oct 13, 2014, at 07:38, Sterling Jacobson via Af <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yeah GigE PoE.
The GigE PoE adapters are cheap and work well with the RB260
models.
I like it that way, then the customer can decide if they want
to put on 100 hours of battery backup or not.
We just maintain the outside device at the Demarc on the side
of their house.
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *CBB -
Jay Fuller via Af
*Sent:* Sunday, October 12, 2014 12:44 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza
stupid question, but i know the fiber mikrotik stuff / demarc
still needs power. what if the point you enter the house does
not have power right there? how do you hook that up? utilize
POE in some shape, form, or fashion?
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*From:*Gino Villarini via Af <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:*mailto:[email protected]%3e
*Sent:*Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:10 AM
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza
Still using the firce10 switches?
Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
On Oct 12, 2014, at 1:35 AM, Sterling Jacobson via Af
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Our ROI is 5 years. We fund per neighborhood and
usually come out easily paying out the 5 years monthly
on the loan plus plenty left over for operations.
Our build costs to the home are skewed because we build
at cost.
It’s going to vary a lot by your market and circumstance.
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*TJ Trout via Af
*Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:58 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza
Any numbers on what it costs to serve an average urban
or suburban neighborhood per home ? Trying to get some
ideas if we can afford the investment in fiber.
Like what would it cost to serve say 100 or 200 homes?
And idea on roi if you were paying for the fiber to be
laid like I will be?
On Oct 11, 2014 9:46 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hybrid model, I bring bandwidth in via wireless to
the neighborhood and set up a cabinet that serves
all the houses in active Ethernet fiber.
GPON is ok, but in this model so much of the
expense was burial of conduit that it really didn’t
make sense to just pull for GPON.
Plus GPON restricts you to a specific vendor market.
My model might not scale to thousands of installs a
month, but it works for hundreds a POP.
A POP is about $15k for 200+ connections completely
contained and redundant.
The end points and fiber construction are on top of
that of course.
That is the major expense, the labor to bore and
trench and splice hella ton of conduit, boxes and
fiber strands.
My entire GigE NID/ONT setup is less than $100
installed though.
Buried conduit all the way to the side of the
house, and fiber to the NID.
It’s built to last, the conduit and fiber being our
biggest expense and asset.
Mikrotik “ONT” and off the shelf lasers from china
for next to nothing.
I haven’t seen any cheaper ONT setup than what we
do, and it’s full GigE.
The only piece of the puzzle I’m missing to do
10GigE to the home is a cheaper transceiver.
I’m sure that will come next year. Sky’s the limit
once the fiber is in the ground on a one to one
basis with the switch and the ONT.
We leave enough fiber to do a pair at the house,
though everything is BIDI right now.
I don’t believe in VoIP or TV, so it’s all
Ethernet. The customer can get their traditional
phone and TV elsewhere.
Which is nice for regulations because we dodge
every single headache I used to have with a WISP.
This fiber stuff is soooooooooooooooo much better
and easier.
Costs more though.
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Jason
Pond via Af
*Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:03 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza
So enlighten us to what you are doing Sterling. So
far so good.
Tomorrow will answer some more.
Sincerely,
Jason Pond
Owner
Grizzly Internet, Inc
[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
On Oct 11, 2014 6:36 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Anyone there that would like to update?
I couldn't make it.
Not sure that I would have gotten anything out
of it anyways.
I don't use any equipment from any of the
sponsors/vendors of fiber weekend.
I'm just curious if they are all
talking/preaching the same ONT/deployment
strategies as usual?
I wonder how close they are to what I am doing.
