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On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Ryan Spott via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > Yeah. It was a little ugly. It pretty much boiled down to: if you are > placing wires that could have current placed on them then you should be an > electrician. (Read that sentence carefully for humor and horror!) > > Just check your local code interpretations to not get smacked. > > ryan > > > -- > D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc > broadband | telco | colo | community > PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284 > 360-799-0552 | gtalk:[email protected] > > On Oct 13, 2014, at 11:01, Sterling Jacobson via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > > Oh wow! > > > > That’s like every single WISP operator then! > > > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott via Af > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:45 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza > > > > Check your local electrical codes for wiring power over Ethernet. > > > > Things got sticky in WA state over this issue and it took considerable > effort to change the electrical rules. > > ryan > > > On Oct 13, 2014, at 07:38, Sterling Jacobson via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yeah GigE PoE. > > > > The GigE PoE adapters are cheap and work well with the RB260 models. > > > > I like it that way, then the customer can decide if they want to put on 100 > hours of battery backup or not. > > > > We just maintain the outside device at the Demarc on the side of their > house. > > > > > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 12:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza > > > > > > stupid question, but i know the fiber mikrotik stuff / demarc still needs > power. what if the point you enter the house does not have power right > there? how do you hook that up? utilize POE in some shape, form, or > fashion? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gino Villarini via Af > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:10 AM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza > > > > Still using the firce10 switches? > > Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!! > > > > > On Oct 12, 2014, at 1:35 AM, Sterling Jacobson via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > > Our ROI is 5 years. We fund per neighborhood and usually come out easily > paying out the 5 years monthly on the loan plus plenty left over for > operations. > > Our build costs to the home are skewed because we build at cost. > > It’s going to vary a lot by your market and circumstance. > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:58 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza > > Any numbers on what it costs to serve an average urban or suburban > neighborhood per home ? Trying to get some ideas if we can afford the > investment in fiber. > > Like what would it cost to serve say 100 or 200 homes? And idea on roi if > you were paying for the fiber to be laid like I will be? > > On Oct 11, 2014 9:46 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hybrid model, I bring bandwidth in via wireless to the neighborhood and set > up a cabinet that serves all the houses in active Ethernet fiber. > > GPON is ok, but in this model so much of the expense was burial of conduit > that it really didn’t make sense to just pull for GPON. > > Plus GPON restricts you to a specific vendor market. > > My model might not scale to thousands of installs a month, but it works for > hundreds a POP. > > A POP is about $15k for 200+ connections completely contained and redundant. > > The end points and fiber construction are on top of that of course. > > That is the major expense, the labor to bore and trench and splice hella ton > of conduit, boxes and fiber strands. > > My entire GigE NID/ONT setup is less than $100 installed though. > > Buried conduit all the way to the side of the house, and fiber to the NID. > > It’s built to last, the conduit and fiber being our biggest expense and > asset. > > Mikrotik “ONT” and off the shelf lasers from china for next to nothing. > > I haven’t seen any cheaper ONT setup than what we do, and it’s full GigE. > > The only piece of the puzzle I’m missing to do 10GigE to the home is a > cheaper transceiver. > > I’m sure that will come next year. Sky’s the limit once the fiber is in the > ground on a one to one basis with the switch and the ONT. > > We leave enough fiber to do a pair at the house, though everything is BIDI > right now. > > I don’t believe in VoIP or TV, so it’s all Ethernet. The customer can get > their traditional phone and TV elsewhere. > > Which is nice for regulations because we dodge every single headache I used > to have with a WISP. > > This fiber stuff is soooooooooooooooo much better and easier. > > Costs more though. > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jason Pond via Af > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza > > So enlighten us to what you are doing Sterling. So far so good. > > Tomorrow will answer some more. > > Sincerely, > > Jason Pond > Owner > Grizzly Internet, Inc > [email protected] > > On Oct 11, 2014 6:36 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Anyone there that would like to update? > > I couldn't make it. > > Not sure that I would have gotten anything out of it anyways. > > I don't use any equipment from any of the sponsors/vendors of fiber weekend. > > I'm just curious if they are all talking/preaching the same ONT/deployment > strategies as usual? > > I wonder how close they are to what I am doing.
