Do people actually get the permits? Sent from iphone
> On Oct 13, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Travis Johnson via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > > In the town of Jackson Hole, Wyoming... any wire carrying ANY amount of > voltage (even DISH TV coax, plain ethernet (not even PoE), telephone, etc.) > you have to first get a "permit" from the city before doing the installation. > It's like a $35 fee and takes up to two weeks. > > Travis > >> On 10/13/2014 12:46 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: >> A phone cable carries current. >> >> The USB wire to your smart phone carries current. >> >> All wires are designed to carry current. >> >> There should be a distinction about whether the current has the potential to >> be lethal. >> >> Unless you're an electrician. In which case this makes for super good job >> security. >> >> bp >> On 10/13/2014 11:40 AM, Ryan Spott via Af wrote: >>> Yeah. It was a little ugly. It pretty much boiled down to: if you are >>> placing wires that could have current placed on them then you should be an >>> electrician. (Read that sentence carefully for humor and horror!) >>> >>> Just check your local code interpretations to not get smacked. >>> >>> ryan >>> >>> >>> -- >>> D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc >>> broadband | telco | colo | community >>> PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284 >>> 360-799-0552 | gtalk:[email protected] >>> >>> On Oct 13, 2014, at 11:01, Sterling Jacobson via Af <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Oh wow! >>>> >>>> That’s like every single WISP operator then! >>>> >>>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott via Af >>>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:45 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza >>>> >>>> Check your local electrical codes for wiring power over Ethernet. >>>> >>>> Things got sticky in WA state over this issue and it took considerable >>>> effort to change the electrical rules. >>>> >>>> ryan >>>> >>>> On Oct 13, 2014, at 07:38, Sterling Jacobson via Af <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yeah GigE PoE. >>>> >>>> The GigE PoE adapters are cheap and work well with the RB260 models. >>>> >>>> I like it that way, then the customer can decide if they want to put on >>>> 100 hours of battery backup or not. >>>> >>>> We just maintain the outside device at the Demarc on the side of their >>>> house. >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 12:44 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza >>>> >>>> >>>> stupid question, but i know the fiber mikrotik stuff / demarc still needs >>>> power. what if the point you enter the house does not have power right >>>> there? how do you hook that up? utilize POE in some shape, form, or >>>> fashion? >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Gino Villarini via Af >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:10 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza >>>> >>>> Still using the firce10 switches? >>>> >>>> Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 12, 2014, at 1:35 AM, Sterling Jacobson via Af <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Our ROI is 5 years. We fund per neighborhood and usually come out easily >>>> paying out the 5 years monthly on the loan plus plenty left over for >>>> operations. >>>> Our build costs to the home are skewed because we build at cost. >>>> It’s going to vary a lot by your market and circumstance. >>>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:58 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza >>>> Any numbers on what it costs to serve an average urban or suburban >>>> neighborhood per home ? Trying to get some ideas if we can afford the >>>> investment in fiber. >>>> >>>> Like what would it cost to serve say 100 or 200 homes? And idea on roi if >>>> you were paying for the fiber to be laid like I will be? >>>> >>>> On Oct 11, 2014 9:46 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hybrid model, I bring bandwidth in via wireless to the neighborhood and >>>> set up a cabinet that serves all the houses in active Ethernet fiber. >>>> GPON is ok, but in this model so much of the expense was burial of conduit >>>> that it really didn’t make sense to just pull for GPON. >>>> Plus GPON restricts you to a specific vendor market. >>>> My model might not scale to thousands of installs a month, but it works >>>> for hundreds a POP. >>>> A POP is about $15k for 200+ connections completely contained and >>>> redundant. >>>> The end points and fiber construction are on top of that of course. >>>> That is the major expense, the labor to bore and trench and splice hella >>>> ton of conduit, boxes and fiber strands. >>>> My entire GigE NID/ONT setup is less than $100 installed though. >>>> Buried conduit all the way to the side of the house, and fiber to the NID. >>>> It’s built to last, the conduit and fiber being our biggest expense and >>>> asset. >>>> Mikrotik “ONT” and off the shelf lasers from china for next to nothing. >>>> I haven’t seen any cheaper ONT setup than what we do, and it’s full GigE. >>>> The only piece of the puzzle I’m missing to do 10GigE to the home is a >>>> cheaper transceiver. >>>> I’m sure that will come next year. Sky’s the limit once the fiber is in >>>> the ground on a one to one basis with the switch and the ONT. >>>> We leave enough fiber to do a pair at the house, though everything is BIDI >>>> right now. >>>> I don’t believe in VoIP or TV, so it’s all Ethernet. The customer can get >>>> their traditional phone and TV elsewhere. >>>> Which is nice for regulations because we dodge every single headache I >>>> used to have with a WISP. >>>> This fiber stuff is soooooooooooooooo much better and easier. >>>> Costs more though. >>>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jason Pond via Af >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:03 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza >>>> So enlighten us to what you are doing Sterling. So far so good. >>>> >>>> Tomorrow will answer some more. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Jason Pond >>>> Owner >>>> Grizzly Internet, Inc >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> On Oct 11, 2014 6:36 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Anyone there that would like to update? >>>> >>>> I couldn't make it. >>>> >>>> Not sure that I would have gotten anything out of it anyways. >>>> >>>> I don't use any equipment from any of the sponsors/vendors of fiber >>>> weekend. >>>> >>>> I'm just curious if they are all talking/preaching the same ONT/deployment >>>> strategies as usual? >>>> >>>> I wonder how close they are to what I am doing. >
