So I’m a Jaime as well, nothing but Jaime’s here! Mike, there absolutely is a difference between the Mimosa PTP versus the PTMP spectrum utilization as you suggested.
The A5 PTMP never requires more than a single channel (20-80 MHz width) to do the Multi-User thing. The way it works, you would have 2 sets of 2x2:2 C5 clients receiving simultaneously from our 4x4:4 MU-MIMO A5 access points in the same single channel. To do this in the same channel, the AP calculates beamforming/spatial-multiplexing matrix compatibility of the clients to create unique phase/amplitude/power optimized patterns that isolate clients in antenna nulls that do not interfere with each other, and this is done on the fly in the silicon when we simultaneously want to transmit to 2 clients that have traffic in the downstream direction. As you suggested, the B5 PTP products can go from a single 2x2:2 channel (20-80 MHz widhts), or in “dual link” (2x20 MHz up to 2x80 MHz) adding a second 2x2:2 frequency diverse set of streams for resiliency in a different part of the band. You can pick channels anywhere from 4.9 public safety (on the connectorized B5c), up to U-NII 1, 2 and 3, including the new 5600-5650 stringent DFS band, these channels can be split, they do not have to be contiguous. Cheers, The other Jaime CPO and co-founder, Mimosa ________________________________ From: "Jaime Solorza via Af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:14:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next article posted - Chapter 52 Okay...I am J A I M E (sounds like Hi me in metal) he is J A M I E ... (as in Jay me- me and you)... I had a had to use command line script to clean out DDWRT OS from several Rocket M5's so I guess it can't be any harder. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390<tel:915-861-1390> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Mike Hammett via Af <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: Well, I had meant Jamie Fink from Mimosa regarding the frequency usage in 4x4, but you're welcome too! Bitlomat has a tool to take you to and from stock firmware. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> ________________________________ From: "Jaime Solorza via Af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:02:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next article posted - Chapter 52 Hum....interesting " However, now that you can put Bitlotmat firmware on Ubiquiti (and soon others) hardware, it’s more interesting. " ...isn't the Bitlomat an img type file? Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390<tel:915-861-1390> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Mike Hammett via Af <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: Their PtP is indeed two channels of 2x2. There's simply no way to get the needed diversity for 4x4 in any way other than frequency. Their PtMP talks 2x2 to two clients independently via beamforming. That's the premise of Mu-MIMO. I had assumed it was all on the same frequency, but I don't believe I specifically asked that. Jamie, care to comment? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> ________________________________ From: "Gino Villarini via Af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> To: "<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 12:41:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next article posted - Chapter 52 My understanding of Mimosa ptp is that it's not 4x4 but 2 2x2 radios. Same for pmp? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 20, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Mike Hammett via Af <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: My comment is awaiting moderation, but I'll post it here: I believe the Force 110 is still using non-GPS radios. The price on the GPS radios is $500, so radio plus antenna for $130 doesn’t seem likely. The time from ePMP announcement to Force 110 was a year. The Force 100 came out somewhere in the middle. Compare that to Ubiquiti’s timeframe of what, five years between NanoBridge and NanoBeam? I also hate reflectors. Stupid idea when you try to say you’re not satellite… by putting a satellite dish looking object on their house. Radwin is a commercial play. No way can they compete in the residential area, and I’m not sure that they’re trying to. They likely enjoy healthy margins with their commercial and non-access plays. Still N, though. Trango’s PtMP is a joke. Proxim… maybe. It’s not as cheap as the other stuff out there, but it does have a respectable CPE price given that it is the only non-Cambium PMP platform to sync with Cambium PMP… only with more throughput. Still N, though. I had thought it was great that Bitlomat was in the industry, but it didn’t offer enough to persuade me to move. However, now that you can put Bitlotmat firmware on Ubiquiti (and soon others) hardware, it’s more interesting. GPS sync being field tested is interesting.Great for migration from one platform to theirs. AC in in the spring is interesting. They do have superior antennas compared to Ubiquiti. I’m hoping that they’ll be the first GPS AC system and likely at a lower AP cost than Mimosa. Mimosa will be the hands-down performance winner for the foreseeable future. I spent some time with Jamie to further understand the product and Kelly to further understand the company. The APs are reasonably priced, especially given their huge potential. Did you know that they have a Broadcom Network Processor in them, which they hope to do Barracuda\Procera-lite features with? A lot was revealed to me at the show. I assume since it was in public that it’s public knowledge, so I’ll save some of the gems for another time. I don’t share Rory’s affection for continuously upgradability. Give me the best of what’s out there. Customer adds in older sections can be done with gear that I’ve forklifted when going to a new platform elsewhere. All parts continuously moving while I make sure I’m using the best that I can. Where’s that quote of Robert’s from? A lot of Chicago references. Do you have any ties here? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> ________________________________ From: "Josh Reynolds via Af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 12:07:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next article posted - Chapter 52 Well done. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com/> On 10/20/2014 06:00 AM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: http://www.muniwireless.com/2014/10/19/ubiquiti-cambium-mimosa/ � Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az.� 85040 602-426-0542<tel:602-426-0542> r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/> �
