Its similar to how mimoA B works you are either talking 2/4 subs at once or just one.

On 10/20/2014 2:53 PM, Jaime Fink via Af wrote:
So I’m a Jaime as well, nothing but Jaime’s here!

Mike, there absolutely is a difference between the Mimosa PTP versus the PTMP spectrum utilization as you suggested.

The A5 PTMP never requires more than a single channel (20-80 MHz width) to do the Multi-User thing. The way it works, you would have 2 sets of 2x2:2 C5 clients receiving simultaneously from our 4x4:4 MU-MIMO A5 access points in the same single channel. To do this in the _same channel_, the AP calculates beamforming/spatial-multiplexing matrix compatibility of the clients to create unique phase/amplitude/power optimized patterns that isolate clients in antenna nulls that do not interfere with each other, and this is done on the fly in the silicon when we simultaneously want to transmit to 2 clients that have traffic in the downstream direction.

As you suggested, the B5 PTP products can go from a single 2x2:2 channel (20-80 MHz widhts), or in “dual link” (2x20 MHz up to 2x80 MHz) adding a second 2x2:2 frequency diverse set of streams for resiliency in a different part of the band. You can pick channels anywhere from 4.9 public safety (on the connectorized B5c), up to U-NII 1, 2 and 3, including the new 5600-5650 stringent DFS band, these channels can be split, they do not have to be contiguous.

Cheers,

The other Jaime
CPO and co-founder, Mimosa



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    *From: *"Jaime Solorza via Af" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
    *To: *"Animal Farm" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
    *Sent: *Monday, October 20, 2014 1:14:15 PM

    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Next article posted - Chapter 52

    Okay...I am J A I M E    (sounds like Hi   me in metal) he is J
    A M I E ...   (as in Jay me- me and you)...

    I had a had to use command line script to clean out DDWRT OS
    from several Rocket M5's so I guess it can't be any harder.


    Jaime Solorza
    Wireless Systems Architect
    915-861-1390 <tel:915-861-1390>

    On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Mike Hammett via Af
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        Well, I had meant Jamie Fink from Mimosa regarding the
        frequency usage in 4x4, but you're welcome too!

        Bitlomat has a tool to take you to and from stock firmware.



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        *From: *"Jaime Solorza via Af" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        *To: *"Animal Farm" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
        *Sent: *Monday, October 20, 2014 1:02:57 PM

        *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Next article posted - Chapter 52

        Hum....interesting " However, now that you can put
        Bitlotmat firmware on Ubiquiti (and soon others) hardware,
        it’s more interesting.  "   ...isn't the Bitlomat an img
        type file?

        Jaime Solorza
        Wireless Systems Architect
        915-861-1390 <tel:915-861-1390>

        On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Mike Hammett via Af
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            Their PtP is indeed two channels of 2x2. There's simply
            no way to get the needed diversity for 4x4 in any way
            other than frequency.

            Their PtMP talks 2x2 to two clients independently via
            beamforming. That's the premise of Mu-MIMO. I had
            assumed it was all on the same frequency, but I don't
            believe I specifically asked that.

            Jamie, care to comment?



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            *From: *"Gino Villarini via Af" <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>>
            *To: *"<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>"
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
            *Sent: *Monday, October 20, 2014 12:41:10 PM

            *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Next article posted - Chapter 52

            My understanding of Mimosa ptp is that it's not 4x4 but
            2 2x2 radios. Same for pmp?

            Gino A. Villarini
            @gvillarini



            On Oct 20, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Mike Hammett via Af
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                My comment is awaiting moderation, but I'll post it
                here:


                I believe the Force 110 is still using non-GPS
                radios. The price on the GPS radios is $500, so
                radio plus antenna for $130 doesn’t seem likely.

                The time from ePMP announcement to Force 110 was a
                year. The Force 100 came out somewhere in the
                middle. Compare that to Ubiquiti’s timeframe of
                what, five years between NanoBridge and NanoBeam?

                I also hate reflectors. Stupid idea when you try to
                say you’re not satellite… by putting a satellite
                dish looking object on their house.

                Radwin is a commercial play. No way can they
                compete in the residential area, and I’m not sure
                that they’re trying to. They likely enjoy healthy
                margins with their commercial and non-access plays.
                Still N, though.

                Trango’s PtMP is a joke.

                Proxim… maybe. It’s not as cheap as the other stuff
                out there, but it does have a respectable CPE price
                given that it is the only non-Cambium PMP platform
                to sync with Cambium PMP… only with more
                throughput. Still N, though.

                I had thought it was great that Bitlomat was in the
                industry, but it didn’t offer enough to persuade me
                to move. However, now that you can put Bitlotmat
                firmware on Ubiquiti (and soon others) hardware,
                it’s more interesting. GPS sync being field tested
                is interesting.Great for migration from one
                platform to theirs. AC in in the spring is
                interesting. They do have superior antennas
                compared to Ubiquiti. I’m hoping that they’ll be
                the first GPS AC system and likely at a lower AP
                cost than Mimosa.

                Mimosa will be the hands-down performance winner
                for the foreseeable future. I spent some time with
                Jamie to further understand the product and Kelly
                to further understand the company. The APs are
                reasonably priced, especially given their huge
                potential. Did you know that they have a Broadcom
                Network Processor in them, which they hope to do
                Barracuda\Procera-lite features with? A lot was
                revealed to me at the show. I assume since it was
                in public that it’s public knowledge, so I’ll save
                some of the gems for another time.

                I don’t share Rory’s affection for continuously
                upgradability. Give me the best of what’s out
                there. Customer adds in older sections can be done
                with gear that I’ve forklifted when going to a new
                platform elsewhere. All parts continuously moving
                while I make sure I’m using the best that I can.

                Where’s that quote of Robert’s from?

                A lot of Chicago references. Do you have any ties here?





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                *From: *"Josh Reynolds via Af" <[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>>
                *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                *Sent: *Monday, October 20, 2014 12:07:24 PM
                *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Next article posted - Chapter 52

                Well done.

                Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
                SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
                <http://www.spitwspots.com/>

                On 10/20/2014 06:00 AM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

                    
http://www.muniwireless.com/2014/10/19/ubiquiti-cambium-mimosa/

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