I still have a very successful layer 2 network. However, it is all segmented with VLANs, pruning, and multicast rate control. My bridged network has less latency than your routed network. ;)
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > I've been doing routed since day 1 (sometime in '05). Scary to think it > has been almost a decade. > > > On Saturday, October 25, 2014, Sterling Jacobson via Af <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Heeeyyyy, in 2005 we had a very redundant successful layer 2 network. >> >> I think mainly because the radios had finally implemented filtering and >> storm control at the consumer side. >> >> >> >> We have about 100 new protocols now it seems like, but basic networking >> is still the same since then. >> >> >> >> That could use a major simplification and overhaul as well. >> >> >> >> I wish the FCC would rework the lower frequency spectrum like white >> spaces and open up huge chunks of it. >> >> >> >> That would single handedly turn the wireless WISP industry into a very >> competitive powerhouse. >> >> >> >> It’s not like it doesn’t exist. >> >> >> >> There is no way all that spectrum is being constantly used all over the >> US all the time. >> >> I get the feeling most of it is unused most of the time. >> >> >> >> Has anyone ever done a semi-comprehensive study of actual raw spectrum >> noise/usage across significant bands in major dense areas? >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via >> Af >> *Sent:* Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:17 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail >> >> >> >> Big flat network... instant worm propagation... ahh yes, the good old >> days... >> >> >> >> *From:* Ken Hohhof via Af >> >> *Sent:* Saturday, October 25, 2014 10:48 AM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail >> >> >> >> That is like saying the car I drive today isn’t much faster than my first >> car in 1969. There is no comparison though when you look at all the >> incremental improvements. Hey, that 1969 Camaro had an AM radio and a >> heater! >> >> >> >> If you think the Internet service you offer today is not much different >> than 2005, just a little faster, you need to travel back in time and visit >> your 2005 WISP and see all the differences between then and now. I look at >> the sub-ms backhauls and redundant rings and 24x7 reliability and >> monitoring and quick restoration people expect today because their lives >> revolve around connectivity and cloud apps, and it’s a world of >> difference. The only thing that has stayed the same is the price we get >> away with charging, in fact that has not even kept pace with inflation. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Travis Johnson via Af >> >> *Sent:* Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:22 AM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail >> >> >> >> I agree that the only thing that has changed is speed... but what do you >> expect? The PC hasn't changed much in 30 years... just faster... it still >> does the same thing it did 30 years ago, just faster. >> >> Travis >> >> On 10/24/2014 11:22 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: >> >> Sterling, thank you! I think you and me must be the only ones who can >> see the elephant...... OH LOOKY LOOKY AC PTMP!! >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Is it just me, or is no one realizing that we are still not that far >> from 2005 with wireless. >> >> >> >> Yes, we have 300-1Gbps capable radios. >> >> But they trade that for larger channel allocations and even more signal >> to noise requirements. >> >> >> >> But the spectrum allocations haven’t changed enough to use these new >> features to their fullest in a radio dense environment. >> >> >> >> When doing cost analysis in my area last year for wireless I realized I >> had to forklift upgrade most of my network, and build towers out in a half >> mile range. >> >> >> >> This was to get the 30Mbps plan rates to really work. >> >> >> >> The costs were skyrocketing because of all the towers and sectors. >> >> >> >> I think the real winners of late are still the rural and low density >> wireless provider domains. >> >> They are the ones with clean enough spectrum to cost this competitively. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >> via Af >> *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 6:41 PM >> *To:* Animal Farm >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail >> >> >> >> Bring out the Holy Grenade of Antioch... >> >> Jaime Solorza >> >> On Oct 24, 2014 5:56 PM, "Jayson Baker via Af" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Anyone else get this email? >> >> >> >> Anyone know what it is? >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the >> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you >> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not >> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >> >> >> >
