Maybe per hop to a gateway :-) On Saturday, October 25, 2014, Jeremy via Af <[email protected] <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
> I still have a very successful layer 2 network. However, it is all > segmented with VLANs, pruning, and multicast rate control. My bridged > network has less latency than your routed network. ;) > > On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I've been doing routed since day 1 (sometime in '05). Scary to think it >> has been almost a decade. >> >> >> On Saturday, October 25, 2014, Sterling Jacobson via Af <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Heeeyyyy, in 2005 we had a very redundant successful layer 2 network. >>> >>> I think mainly because the radios had finally implemented filtering and >>> storm control at the consumer side. >>> >>> >>> >>> We have about 100 new protocols now it seems like, but basic networking >>> is still the same since then. >>> >>> >>> >>> That could use a major simplification and overhaul as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> I wish the FCC would rework the lower frequency spectrum like white >>> spaces and open up huge chunks of it. >>> >>> >>> >>> That would single handedly turn the wireless WISP industry into a very >>> competitive powerhouse. >>> >>> >>> >>> It’s not like it doesn’t exist. >>> >>> >>> >>> There is no way all that spectrum is being constantly used all over the >>> US all the time. >>> >>> I get the feeling most of it is unused most of the time. >>> >>> >>> >>> Has anyone ever done a semi-comprehensive study of actual raw spectrum >>> noise/usage across significant bands in major dense areas? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>> via Af >>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:17 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail >>> >>> >>> >>> Big flat network... instant worm propagation... ahh yes, the good old >>> days... >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Ken Hohhof via Af >>> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 25, 2014 10:48 AM >>> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail >>> >>> >>> >>> That is like saying the car I drive today isn’t much faster than my >>> first car in 1969. There is no comparison though when you look at all the >>> incremental improvements. Hey, that 1969 Camaro had an AM radio and a >>> heater! >>> >>> >>> >>> If you think the Internet service you offer today is not much different >>> than 2005, just a little faster, you need to travel back in time and visit >>> your 2005 WISP and see all the differences between then and now. I look at >>> the sub-ms backhauls and redundant rings and 24x7 reliability and >>> monitoring and quick restoration people expect today because their lives >>> revolve around connectivity and cloud apps, and it’s a world of >>> difference. The only thing that has stayed the same is the price we get >>> away with charging, in fact that has not even kept pace with inflation. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Travis Johnson via Af >>> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:22 AM >>> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail >>> >>> >>> >>> I agree that the only thing that has changed is speed... but what do you >>> expect? The PC hasn't changed much in 30 years... just faster... it still >>> does the same thing it did 30 years ago, just faster. >>> >>> Travis >>> >>> On 10/24/2014 11:22 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: >>> >>> Sterling, thank you! I think you and me must be the only ones who can >>> see the elephant...... OH LOOKY LOOKY AC PTMP!! >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Is it just me, or is no one realizing that we are still not that far >>> from 2005 with wireless. >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, we have 300-1Gbps capable radios. >>> >>> But they trade that for larger channel allocations and even more signal >>> to noise requirements. >>> >>> >>> >>> But the spectrum allocations haven’t changed enough to use these new >>> features to their fullest in a radio dense environment. >>> >>> >>> >>> When doing cost analysis in my area last year for wireless I realized I >>> had to forklift upgrade most of my network, and build towers out in a half >>> mile range. >>> >>> >>> >>> This was to get the 30Mbps plan rates to really work. >>> >>> >>> >>> The costs were skyrocketing because of all the towers and sectors. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think the real winners of late are still the rural and low density >>> wireless provider domains. >>> >>> They are the ones with clean enough spectrum to cost this competitively. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >>> via Af >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 6:41 PM >>> *To:* Animal Farm >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail >>> >>> >>> >>> Bring out the Holy Grenade of Antioch... >>> >>> Jaime Solorza >>> >>> On Oct 24, 2014 5:56 PM, "Jayson Baker via Af" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Anyone else get this email? >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyone know what it is? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the >>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you >>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not >>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >>> >>> >>> >> >
