We have a 13GHz Lumina! :). Had a packed 11GHz site with not much available, and the site was outside of the exclusion zone so it fit the need.
-c > On Jan 16, 2015, at 9:38 PM, Daniel White <[email protected]> wrote: > > We sell a lot of 13GHz internationally… but there isn’t much market for it in > North America… yet at least (or at least outside the STL world). > > <image001.jpg> > Daniel White | Managing Director > SAF North America LLC > > Cell: > > (303) 746-3590 > Skype: > danieldwhite > E-mail: > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On > Behalf Of Jaime Solorza > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:09 PM > To: Animal Farm > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous > > I did a job for Teletronics back in 2004 in Bolivia and all the backhauls > used 13 GHz. I think they were Alcatel and the N????? (Red letters) ones.. > long ago... > > Jaime Solorza > > On Jan 16, 2015 8:52 PM, "Daniel White" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Depending on what you call 7GHz… yes. SAF calls it Upper 6GHz – but that >> falls into the 7GHz range. >> >> 13GHz is… but few use it. Only 13GHz WISP links I’m aware of are in the US >> Virgin Islands. Anywhere else, 11GHz is still open where 13GHz can be used. >> >> <image001.jpg> >> Daniel White | Managing Director >> SAF North America LLC >> >> Cell: >> >> (303) 746-3590 <tel:%28303%29%20746-3590> >> Skype: >> danieldwhite >> E-mail: >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On >> Behalf Of Jaime Solorza >> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 7:43 AM >> To: Animal Farm >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous >> >> Are 7 8 and 13Ghz available in US for WISPs? >> >> Jaime Solorza >> >> On Jan 15, 2015 9:07 PM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> I just actually dug up the numbers and actually, the LTE receive >>> sensitivity that Patrick was talking about are within a dB or two of the >>> SIAE datasheet I have open at 64 QAM. He then talks about 8.5 dB of >>> additional receive gain via 4x4 and HARQ. *shrugs* Every dB helps. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> >>> From: "Daniel White" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:52:27 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous >>> >>> Licensed vendors can’t use many of the tricks unlicensed, or low frequency, >>> vendors get to use. >>> >>> The space is regulated much differently. >>> >>> >>> Daniel White | Managing Director >>> SAF North America LLC >>> >>> Cell: >>> >>> (303) 746-3590 <tel:%28303%29%20746-3590> >>> Skype: >>> danieldwhite >>> E-mail: >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On >>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 7:54 AM >>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous >>> >>> Well right, we need more bandwidth per link, but also that in many areas >>> there's no links to be had, so we have to make do with what we have. >>> >>> For instance in that spot I'm working on the GigE links for, there's no 6 >>> GHz, 11 GHz and only 2x horizontal 18 GHz licenses available. It's not >>> exactly suburbia or HFT alley, either. >>> >>> I think the next step will have to be IP20 type solutions from more vendors. >>> >>> Patrick is talking all kinds of engineering finesse that lowers how much >>> signal LTE needs to work well by like 10 - 15 dB. I wonder how much of that >>> would help licensed links. The thought there is that having more signal to >>> work with means that higher QAMs aren't as fragile as without that >>> fanciness. >>> >>> >>> Roadmap to 10G via licensed, anyone? >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> From: "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:41:42 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous >>> >>> All good points, not sure they address Erich’s issue of needing more >>> bandwidth per link without multiple antennas per link on the tower. I >>> think he’s saying an IP20 class radio is too expensive, and over the next >>> few years lots of us are going to need that kind of radio. >>> >>> From: Mike Hammett <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:27 AM >>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous >>> >>> Pull all of the active licenses with old ass gear and feed their contact >>> information to the vendors? ;-) Maybe newer gear for hte existing guys >>> would cut down on how much they need. ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:25:39 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous >>> >>> 10 GHz unlicensed would help. I sometimes think the license protections are >>> a bit excessive. >>> >>> Maybe loosen the geographic restrictions on 7 GHz and 13 GHz? >>> >>> Maybe some effort into getting 4 GHz and other legacy PtP bands opened back >>> up? They don't have a ton of room and don't allow for huge channels, but >>> some is better than none and maybe since the HFT guys care more about lower >>> latency and less about throughput, they''ll build longer hops and leave our >>> 11 and 6 gig alone? ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:18:58 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous >>> >>> You could drive around to all of the HFT sites and look for links that are >>> no longer there, but still licensed. Document. Come back 30 days later and >>> document again, submit to the FCC (or wherever Liz says is best) and have >>> those licenses revoked. ;-) >>> >>> But yeah, I do like Ceragon's 4x4 setup. Two radio heads, four >>> transmitters, two licenses, tons of bandwidth. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> From: "Erich Kaiser" <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:15:57 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous >>> >>> The conversation goes deeper. In several areas we are out of spectrum, it >>> may be due to HFT or just plain out. So most WISPs if they have deployed >>> Licensed, they have to deal with what spectrum they have. The question >>> is, where do you see the licensed backhaul market in the next few years, >>> are they just going to be adding qams or finding other creative ways to add >>> capacity? I am not in the WISP business anymore so I have decided to try >>> and focus on the things that drove me nuts to help others. >>> >>> Erich Kaiser >>> North Central Tower Consulting >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Office: 630-621-4804 <tel:630-621-4804> >>> Cell: 630-777-9291 <tel:630-777-9291> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 7:33 AM, Daniel White <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> Your issue is really then with promo’s and capacity keys – which is >>>> marketing and different ways to make revenue on a product. >>>> >>>> Just like the PtMP space, not all PtP vendors do capacity keys and play >>>> those games either. >>>> >>>> Daniel White >>>> (303) 746-3590 <tel:%28303%29%20746-3590> >>>> >>>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On >>>> Behalf Of Erich Kaiser >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:47 PM >>>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous >>>> >>>> From my experience the price has not changed very much. Someone needs to >>>> take the reigns on the market. Even with certain companies throwing you a >>>> promo price, if you really look at it fully loaded, the price is still >>>> high for what you get. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Jason McKemie >>>> <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> I think we're already seeing it. They're not wifi chipset based radio >>>>> kind of prices, but they can be found for less than half of what you >>>>> could get them for just a few years ago. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Erich Kaiser >>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> After several years, when will we see Licensed radios come down in >>>>>> price? There is so much margin in these things. Its ridiculous....
