So when can we expect the integra-S Wide available in 11ghz? On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Daniel White <[email protected]> wrote:
> I forgot about yours Cassidy! > > > > Anyways we keep them in stock now… not many but we do have a few available. > > > > Integra will be in 13GHz too… although I suspect 6/11/42/28 will win out > first (and no you can’t use 42GHz in North America… but it is a new > exciting band in Europe). > > > > [image: cid:[email protected]] > > *Daniel White* | Managing Director > > *SAF North America LLC* > > > > *Cell:* > > > > (303) 746-3590 > > *Skype:* > > danieldwhite > > *E-mail:* > > [email protected] > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Cassidy B. Larson > *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 9:54 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous > > > > We have a 13GHz Lumina! :). Had a packed 11GHz site with not much > available, and the site was outside of the exclusion zone so it fit the > need. > > > > -c > > > > On Jan 16, 2015, at 9:38 PM, Daniel White <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > We sell a lot of 13GHz internationally… but there isn’t much market for it > in North America… yet at least (or at least outside the STL world). > > > > <image001.jpg> > > *Daniel White* | Managing Director > > *SAF North America LLC* > > > > *Cell:* > > > > (303) 746-3590 > > *Skype:* > > danieldwhite > > *E-mail:* > > [email protected] > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 9:09 PM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous > > > > I did a job for Teletronics back in 2004 in Bolivia and all the backhauls > used 13 GHz. I think they were Alcatel and the N????? (Red letters) > ones.. long ago... > > Jaime Solorza > > On Jan 16, 2015 8:52 PM, "Daniel White" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Depending on what you call 7GHz… yes. SAF calls it Upper 6GHz – but that > falls into the 7GHz range. > > > > 13GHz is… but few use it. Only 13GHz WISP links I’m aware of are in the > US Virgin Islands. Anywhere else, 11GHz is still open where 13GHz can be > used. > > > > <image001.jpg> > > *Daniel White* | Managing Director > > *SAF North America LLC* > > > > *Cell:* > > > > (303) 746-3590 > > *Skype:* > > danieldwhite > > *E-mail:* > > [email protected] > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 7:43 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous > > > > Are 7 8 and 13Ghz available in US for WISPs? > > Jaime Solorza > > On Jan 15, 2015 9:07 PM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote: > > I just actually dug up the numbers and actually, the LTE receive > sensitivity that Patrick was talking about are within a dB or two of the > SIAE datasheet I have open at 64 QAM. He then talks about 8.5 dB of > additional receive gain via 4x4 and HARQ. *shrugs* Every dB helps. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Daniel White" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:52:27 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous > > Licensed vendors can’t use many of the tricks unlicensed, or low > frequency, vendors get to use. > > > > The space is regulated much differently. > > > > [image: cid:[email protected]] > > *Daniel White* | Managing Director > > *SAF North America LLC* > > > > *Cell:* > > > > (303) 746-3590 > > *Skype:* > > danieldwhite > > *E-mail:* > > [email protected] > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 7:54 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous > > > > Well right, we need more bandwidth per link, but also that in many areas > there's no links to be had, so we have to make do with what we have. > > For instance in that spot I'm working on the GigE links for, there's no 6 > GHz, 11 GHz and only 2x horizontal 18 GHz licenses available. It's not > exactly suburbia or HFT alley, either. > > I think the next step will have to be IP20 type solutions from more > vendors. > > Patrick is talking all kinds of engineering finesse that lowers how much > signal LTE needs to work well by like 10 - 15 dB. I wonder how much of that > would help licensed links. The thought there is that having more signal to > work with means that higher QAMs aren't as fragile as without that > fanciness. > > > Roadmap to 10G via licensed, anyone? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:41:42 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous > > All good points, not sure they address Erich’s issue of needing more > bandwidth per link without multiple antennas per link on the tower. I > think he’s saying an IP20 class radio is too expensive, and over the next > few years lots of us are going to need that kind of radio. > > > > *From:* Mike Hammett <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:27 AM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous > > > > Pull all of the active licenses with old ass gear and feed their contact > information to the vendors? ;-) Maybe newer gear for hte existing guys > would cut down on how much they need. ;-) > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:25:39 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous > > 10 GHz unlicensed would help. I sometimes think the license protections > are a bit excessive. > > Maybe loosen the geographic restrictions on 7 GHz and 13 GHz? > > Maybe some effort into getting 4 GHz and other legacy PtP bands opened > back up? They don't have a ton of room and don't allow for huge channels, > but some is better than none and maybe since the HFT guys care more about > lower latency and less about throughput, they''ll build longer hops and > leave our 11 and 6 gig alone? ;-) > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:18:58 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous > > You could drive around to all of the HFT sites and look for links that are > no longer there, but still licensed. Document. Come back 30 days later and > document again, submit to the FCC (or wherever Liz says is best) and have > those licenses revoked. ;-) > > But yeah, I do like Ceragon's 4x4 setup. Two radio heads, four > transmitters, two licenses, tons of bandwidth. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:15:57 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous > > The conversation goes deeper. In several areas we are out of spectrum, it > may be due to HFT or just plain out. So most WISPs if they have deployed > Licensed, they have to deal with what spectrum they have. The question > is, where do you see the licensed backhaul market in the next few years, > are they just going to be adding qams or finding other creative ways to add > capacity? I am not in the WISP business anymore so I have decided to try > and focus on the things that drove me nuts to help others. > > > > Erich Kaiser > > North Central Tower Consulting > > [email protected] > > Office: 630-621-4804 > > Cell: 630-777-9291 > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 7:33 AM, Daniel White <[email protected]> wrote: > > Your issue is really then with promo’s and capacity keys – which is > marketing and different ways to make revenue on a product. > > > > Just like the PtMP space, not all PtP vendors do capacity keys and play > those games either. > > > > Daniel White > > (303) 746-3590 > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:47 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous > > > > From my experience the price has not changed very much. Someone needs to > take the reigns on the market. Even with certain companies throwing you a > promo price, if you really look at it fully loaded, the price is still high > for what you get. > > > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Jason McKemie < > [email protected]> wrote: > > I think we're already seeing it. They're not wifi chipset based radio > kind of prices, but they can be found for less than half of what you could > get them for just a few years ago. > > > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Erich Kaiser < > [email protected]> wrote: > > After several years, when will we see Licensed radios come down in price? > There is so much margin in these things. Its ridiculous.... > > >
