Lets not forget that if you're an employee, your employer is paying a nice
chunk of your tax. Don't we match it 50% or something? Seems like we do....
we don't just take it out of your check. We get to pay some into it, too...
(i think)
----- Original Message -----
From: That One Guy
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ?
I never sow why people are so against employers choosing to offer healthcare,
Why would anybody be against a company offering a benefit...no company cars, no
christmas bonuses, Since the government needs out of the mix, no Overtime.
Thanks to the new mandate, i did the estimator last night and no matter how i
look at it im paying 12k+ out of my pocket in one form or another before
insurance kicks in each year, i wouldnt be able to pay that if my employer
hadnt opted to provide the insurance as a benefit. You want to tell me that my
employer shouldnt be allowed to do that? I dont have a problem if hes telling
me I cant smoke dope in exchange for 12 grand worth of something, I do have the
option to walk away
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
After I left I guess they did mandate a certain degree of fitness or you
had to pay a fee to a fitness instructor or some such thing. I heard lots of
complaints. Mandatory fitness workouts, everybody has to sit on a ball instead
of a chair etc. Not sure if they are still doing that or not. Don’t care too
much anymore.
From: Ryan Ray
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 1:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ?
So where do you draw the line? Eat a cheeseburger for lunch, get suspended.
Go skydiving, well you're risking our insurance you're fired. Too old? Fired.
What happened to America, land of the free?
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
The tobacco issue is not a-personal-off-hours recreational thing for me.
If you want health insurance, no tobacco. Not saying you will get fired for
using tobacco.
We were self insured. We did not want to have to pay for health issues
caused by smoking tobacco. Cannot legally mandate BMI (yet) or other unhealthy
things but you can pick on the smokers. It was not an employment issue, it was
an insurance issue.
Drug use is an employment issue. But recreational alcohol use is a
personal rights thing as far as I am concerned. Tobacco is too but I can point
to many more smoking caused lung cancer deaths among family and friends than I
can alcoholism related deaths. Pot is somewhere in between. Pot smokers
probably don’t suck down 5 packs equivalent a day... Not sure how much pot it
takes to cause the same amount of lung cancer in a population as tobacco does.
Kinda a mess trying to keep from regulating peoples lives balanced with
protecting the business and your pocketbook. What is a drug? Alcohol
certainly could be considered a drug... Why can you use alcohol and not pot or
anything else. Dang, I should have taken that minor in philosophy...
From: That One Guy
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 1:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ?
he will also get a dui conviction in many states.
There are people who have been terminated for failing drug screens when
visiting other countries where the laws are different.
It will be a simple matter in locales where its still illegal, just as it
is with that.
But like chucks no nicotine policy, which is great, the employer should
always be able to mandate the staff they have.
The whole pot battle is a joke, framing it as medicine, there are very
few proven conditions where it is any more beneficial than controlled
substances already available on the market. Call it what it is, seeking the end
of prohibition of a recreational drug. (rant)
We have the top scientists and researchers at our disposal. As it
progresses to a more likely state in the near future of pure legalization, they
will find a method for testing for intoxication similar to BAC with the booze.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@spitwspots.com>
wrote:
This is going to get interest over the next couple of years when it
comes to marijuana.
Many places are looking to legalize for recreational use.
The problem is testing and liability. Lots of systems will have to
change.
For instance, there is currently no good known method to tell if
someone is under the influence of marijuana other than a field sobriety test,
and even those can be argued in court (if my understanding of this is correct,
I just talked to a local detective yesterday while getting fingerprinted for a
state security clearance).
Billy Bob comes into work in Anchorage, AK or Denver, CO. Goes through
his day, everything is fine. He sits in is van at a stop light waiting for the
light to turn green, and BAM... rear end collision from some a-hole behind him.
Many company policies will force him to go get drug tested. He fails the test
for marijuana, yet it is legal in the state and there was no way to tell if he
was under the influence at the time of the incident.
--
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.comOn 03/11/2015 09:47 AM, Tushar Patel wrote:
Ok, will look for local company.
Tushar
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ?
If you are asking about the mechanics of having the testing done, you
hire a local company that specializes in the whole thing. They choose who
needs to come in and they do the tests. All you have to do is to tell the
employee when and were to report. And yeah, there is clean pee out on the
market that even comes with its own little heater packet to get it up to body
temp. I had no idea until we found some on our company vehicles.
I also didn’t know until just now that hair sample testing was
available. Be good to tell them all you do hair sample testing even if you
don’t. I do regret firing one kid that took a hit off of a joint at his
birthday party. I really don’t think he was a druggie but I wrote the manual,
I made the policy, and I let him go when he pissed dirty. So think this
through carefully before you pull the trigger. If I had to do it again, I
would make an exception for pot. (Not tobacco though...)
From: Tushar Patel
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 10:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ?
Hi,
How do one go about implementing random drug testing for
installer/employee?
How many people do this?
Thanks,
Tushar
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