I guess you are free to not work for them :P
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Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com
On 03/11/2015 11:45 AM, Ryan Ray wrote:
So where do you draw the line? Eat a cheeseburger for lunch, get
suspended. Go skydiving, well you're risking our insurance you're
fired. Too old? Fired.
What happened to America, land of the free?
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
The tobacco issue is not a-personal-off-hours recreational thing
for me. If you want health insurance, no tobacco. Not saying you
will get fired for using tobacco.
We were self insured. We did not want to have to pay for health
issues caused by smoking tobacco. Cannot legally mandate BMI (yet)
or other unhealthy things but you can pick on the smokers. It was
not an employment issue, it was an insurance issue.
Drug use is an employment issue. But recreational alcohol use is
a personal rights thing as far as I am concerned. Tobacco is too
but I can point to many more smoking caused lung cancer deaths
among family and friends than I can alcoholism related deaths.
Pot is somewhere in between. Pot smokers probably don’t suck down
5 packs equivalent a day... Not sure how much pot it takes to
cause the same amount of lung cancer in a population as tobacco does.
Kinda a mess trying to keep from regulating peoples lives balanced
with protecting the business and your pocketbook. What is a
drug? Alcohol certainly could be considered a drug... Why can
you use alcohol and not pot or anything else. Dang, I should have
taken that minor in philosophy...
*From:* That One Guy <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2015 1:03 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ?
he will also get a dui conviction in many states.
There are people who have been terminated for failing drug screens
when visiting other countries where the laws are different.
It will be a simple matter in locales where its still illegal,
just as it is with that.
But like chucks no nicotine policy, which is great, the employer
should always be able to mandate the staff they have.
The whole pot battle is a joke, framing it as medicine, there are
very few proven conditions where it is any more beneficial than
controlled substances already available on the market. Call it
what it is, seeking the end of prohibition of a recreational drug.
(rant)
We have the top scientists and researchers at our disposal. As it
progresses to a more likely state in the near future of pure
legalization, they will find a method for testing for intoxication
similar to BAC with the booze.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Josh Reynolds
<j...@spitwspots.com <mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:
This is going to get interest over the next couple of years
when it comes to marijuana.
Many places are looking to legalize for recreational use.
The problem is testing and liability. Lots of systems will
have to change.
For instance, there is currently no good known method to tell
if someone is under the influence of marijuana other than a
field sobriety test, and even those can be argued in court (if
my understanding of this is correct, I just talked to a local
detective yesterday while getting fingerprinted for a state
security clearance).
Billy Bob comes into work in Anchorage, AK or Denver, CO. Goes
through his day, everything is fine. He sits in is van at a
stop light waiting for the light to turn green, and BAM...
rear end collision from some a-hole behind him. Many company
policies will force him to go get drug tested. He fails the
test for marijuana, yet it is legal in the state and there was
no way to tell if he was under the influence at the time of
the incident.
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Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 03/11/2015 09:47 AM, Tushar Patel wrote:
Ok, will look for local company.
Tushar
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck
McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:37 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for
employee/Installer ?
If you are asking about the mechanics of having the testing
done, you hire a local company that specializes in the whole
thing. They choose who needs to come in and they do the
tests. All you have to do is to tell the employee when and
were to report. And yeah, there is clean pee out on the
market that even comes with its own little heater packet to
get it up to body temp. I had no idea until we found some on
our company vehicles.
I also didn’t know until just now that hair sample testing
was available. Be good to tell them all you do hair sample
testing even if you don’t. I do regret firing one kid that
took a hit off of a joint at his birthday party. I really
don’t think he was a druggie but I wrote the manual, I made
the policy, and I let him go when he pissed dirty. So think
this through carefully before you pull the trigger. If I had
to do it again, I would make an exception for pot. (Not
tobacco though...)
*From:*Tushar Patel <mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>
*Sent:*Wednesday, March 11, 2015 10:01 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:*[AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ?
Hi,
How do one go about implementing random drug testing for
installer/employee?
How many people do this?
Thanks,
Tushar
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your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
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