I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well.
It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He
was a tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what
it did.
Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool,
but that's where we're at for now.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*From: *"Lists" <[email protected]>
*To: *[email protected]
*Sent: *Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub)
however you want. Belittle industries publically without consequence?
Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end? I think
its because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango
Apex code in as well as other things and are invested.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lists" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from
his product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product
was great but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody
will want to do business with a person like this who openly calls you
and everything you work for a "retard"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded
on something concrete.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lists" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private).
Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply
asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks
of "wifi people". This guy is a true professional. Funny they think
Mikrotik is "ghetto". Sure he makes some valid points about the lack
of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure,
switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product
from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring
systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers
anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some
cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming.
[09:34] <Smeghead> any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :)
[09:34] <adama> are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set
of mibs for every product?
[09:35] <adama> everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally
retarded when it comes to writing mibs
[09:37] <adama> yup, they are
[09:38] <Smeghead> Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and
all the millions of units out there.
[09:38] <adama> different set of mibs for every fuckign product
[09:38] <adama> jesus
[09:38] <Smeghead> They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's
[09:38] <adama> can you english?
[09:39] <Smeghead> The interface stuff is the same for all of them
[09:39] <Smeghead> its your standard interface mibs. Other than that
really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product
[09:40] <adama> fucking wifi people
[09:40] <adama> you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors
[09:40] <Smeghead> If you want to be thorough with them you could pull
all sorts of stuff out.
[09:40] <adama> and you're always whining that we should support the
stuff you want
[09:40] <adama> well fuck you all
[09:40] <Smeghead> Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products.
[09:41] <Smeghead> All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is
the biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to
supporting those 2 fully
[09:41] <adama> meh
[09:41] <adama> get them to send us hardware
[09:41] <adama> and maybe we'll give a shit
[09:43] <Smeghead> I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I
could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so
you can probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate
environment for you.
[09:43] <Smeghead> I'm pretty sure I offered a few times.
[09:49] <Smeghead> to be honest though - I don't think observium is
really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just
the wireless bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so
overwhelming
[09:57] <adama> you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about
how they really should build a pickup truck
[09:57] <adama> i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits
about wireless
[09:57] <Smeghead> Who do you think delivers internet to the massive
areas between the major cities?
[09:58] <adama> i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not?
[09:58] <Smeghead> Yeah all of the Western hemisphere..
[09:59] <adama> lol
[09:59] <adama> XD
[10:01] <adama> my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran
out long ago
[10:01] <Smeghead> Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high
percentage of industry in the world that delivers internet.. yeah take
this one. Its probably too hard and too much work for you. Because the
wireless industry is retarded.
[10:01] <adama> i know it is
[10:02] <Smeghead> Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins for
anything. Cacti is old and busted. Your product is new and refreshing.
That is why the industry is bugging you.
[10:04] <adama> go and make some cacti graphs then
[10:04] <adama> i'm really fucking sick of this shit
[10:04] <adama> it doesn't take 5 minutes to add support for things
[10:04] <adama> especially no nfucking wireless stuff
[10:04] <adama> so just fuck off
[10:04] <adama> it's not going to happen
[10:04] <adama> and every one who asks makes it less likely to happen
[ 10:06] <Smeghead> But I'll bet if you asked for help you'd get it.
Look I was willing to set you up a network with all the devices you need
[10:06] <adama> excuse me whilst i replace these 32*10G bundles with
some wireless
[10:06] <adama> HURR
[10:06] <adama> no
[10:06] <adama> i'd get a pile of useless shitty code
[10:06] <adama> that's the only thing we've ever gotten from the
"community"
[10:09] <aden> adama: make Observium -3rd world edition, that only
supports mikrotik and ghetto wireless hardware
[10:09] <adama> hah
[10:10] <Smeghead> Mainly because its (Mikrotik) like 10% of the price
and does the same job and even better in many cases.
[10:11] <adama> no, they use it because it "just about works" and
costs 10% of the price
[10:11] <Smeghead> Dragonwave aint ghetto nor some of these other
backhaul manufacturers.
[10:12] <Smeghead> and your proof is from what experience?
[10:12] <Smeghead> Sounds like a case of "they suck over there" and "I
know all about them, I've never worked in the industry or actually
been a part of any of it but I know what I'm talking about".
[10:13] <Smeghead> Those crazy brown people and their silly ways. They
are inferior to us.
[10:13] <adama> man, this is exactly the kind of shit that made us go
commercial in the first place
[10:14] <adama> dude
[10:14] <adama> just fuck off
[10:14] <adama> you're getting really tiring now
[10:14] <Smeghead> It takes 10x more effort to deliver internet to
remote people.. not to mention flexibility and creativity.
[10:14] <Smeghead> Than some pompous pricks sitting in their offices
[10:15] <adama> so what was that, remove any existing wireless support
and hope everyone else fucks off too?
[10:16] <adama> ok then!
[10:16] <Smeghead> Hahh what wireless support?
[10:16] * ChanServ sets mode: +o adama
[10:16] * You were kicked by adama (Smeghead)
Session Close: Tue Mar 31 10:16:22 2015
