Just different volumes. Tens of millions of units versus a million, or
maybe a few hundred thousand.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 4/1/2015 7:01 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
That’s the same in a lot of the telco world as well… DSLAM’s, DS3 Mux
gear, DWDM gear .. various stuff.. they all have “weird” SNMP support
at times…;)
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:50 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy
(and ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is
acting the way that he is. I am -not- making an excuse for his
behavior or attitude; just stating a fact.
Josh
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Just shows you what sort "person" this guy is. Let him rot in his
own cesspool of hate. He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him
that would benefit a great deal of people, took a half assed stab
at it and then said "naw I'm too lazy I don't want to do it."
Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance. I'd like to do it,
but its too hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I
can't do it so I hate all of you.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa
Connoisseur”? He likes Wispa candy bars? It seems ironic if he
looks down on WISPs.
From: David Milholen
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar
code and is above everyone else when in reality they suck at
everything else
and only have a decent piece of code nothing more. This is where
open source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that
is willing
to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws
others have made and fix what needs to be fixed.
These are the guys who make open source a great place to play.
Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy
servers are all open source. I dont have a single windows machine
in my office now.
I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come
a long way so now I run it on my Debian console with no issue.
all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or
Lubuntu on them to allow them to switch between networks quickly.
Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min
with contract and paid invoice.
up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to
linux.
On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well.
It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years
ago. He was a tool, but people still bought it because it was the
best at what it did.
Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a
tool, but that's where we're at for now.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Lists" mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of
WISPS
So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid
the sub) however you want. Belittle industries publically without
consequence?
Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end? I
think its because you are probably the person who paid him to put
the Trango Apex code in as well as other things and are invested.
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From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of
WISPS
Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it
does do.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Lists" mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of
WISPS
Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away
from his product with his personality. I openly admitted to him
his product was great but the lack of flexibility will be his
downfall. Nobody will want to do business with a person like this
who openly calls you and everything you work for a "retard"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of
WISPS
Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually
founded on something concrete.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Lists" mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not
private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info
etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know
exactly what he thinks of "wifi people". This guy is a true
professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is "ghetto". Sure he makes
some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his
product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think
I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury
of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real
alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started
off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months
ago so I wanted to know if more was coming.
[09:34] <Smeghead> any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :)
[09:34] <adama> are they another bunch of fucktards who make a
new set of mibs for every product?
[09:35] <adama> everyone involved in wireless seems to be
literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs
[09:37] <adama> yup, they are
[09:38] <Smeghead> Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then
and all the millions of units out there.
[09:38] <adama> different set of mibs for every fuckign product
[09:38] <adama> jesus
[09:38] <Smeghead> They unified one of their mibs with the
regular AP's
[09:38] <adama> can you english?
[09:39] <Smeghead> The interface stuff is the same for all of them
[09:39] <Smeghead> its your standard interface mibs. Other than
that really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product
[09:40] <adama> fucking wifi people
[09:40] <adama> you guys have 12903819023810 products from
129381 vendors
[09:40] <Smeghead> If you want to be thorough with them you
could pull all sorts of stuff out.
[09:40] <adama> and you're always whining that we should support
the stuff you want
[09:40] <adama> well fuck you all
[09:40] <Smeghead> Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those
products.
[09:41] <Smeghead> All I want to do is monitor the best..
Cambium is the biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so
I'd stick to supporting those 2 fully
[09:41] <adama> meh
[09:41] <adama> get them to send us hardware
[09:41] <adama> and maybe we'll give a shit
[09:43] <Smeghead> I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure.
I could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network
so you can probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate
environment for you.
[09:43] <Smeghead> I'm pretty sure I offered a few times.
[09:49] <Smeghead> to be honest though - I don't think observium
is really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting
with just the wireless bridges first would be the best start. That
isn't so overwhelming
[09:57] <adama> you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers
about how they really should build a pickup truck
[09:57] <adama> i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2
shits about wireless
[09:57] <Smeghead> Who do you think delivers internet to the
massive areas between the major cities?
[09:58] <adama> i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries
or not?
[09:58] <Smeghead> Yeah all of the Western hemisphere..
[09:59] <adama> lol
[09:59] <adama> XD
[10:01] <adama> my patience for people asking for wireless stuff
ran out long ago
[10:01] <Smeghead> Well if you want more excuses to neglect a
high percentage of industry in the world that delivers internet..
yeah take this one. Its probably too hard and too much work for
you. Because the wireless industry is retarded.
[10:01] <adama> i know it is
[10:02] <Smeghead> Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few
mins for anything. Cacti is old and busted. Your product is new
and refreshing. That is why the industry is bugging you.
[10:04] <adama> go and make some cacti graphs then
[10:04] <adama> i'm really fucking sick of this shit
[10:04] <adama> it doesn't take 5 minutes to add support for things
[10:04] <adama> especially no nfucking wireless stuff
[10:04] <adama> so just fuck off
[10:04] <adama> it's not going to happen
[10:04] <adama> and every one who asks makes it less likely to
happen
[ 10:06] <Smeghead> But I'll bet if you asked for help you'd get
it. Look I was willing to set you up a network with all the
devices you need
[10:06] <adama> excuse me whilst i replace these 32*10G bundles
with some wireless
[10:06] <adama> HURR
[10:06] <adama> no
[10:06] <adama> i'd get a pile of useless shitty code
[10:06] <adama> that's the only thing we've ever gotten from the
"community"
[10:09] <aden> adama: make Observium -3rd world edition, that
only supports mikrotik and ghetto wireless hardware
[10:09] <adama> hah
[10:10] <Smeghead> Mainly because its (Mikrotik) like 10% of the
price and does the same job and even better in many cases.
[10:11] <adama> no, they use it because it "just about works"
and costs 10% of the price
[10:11] <Smeghead> Dragonwave aint ghetto nor some of these
other backhaul manufacturers.
[10:12] <Smeghead> and your proof is from what experience?
[10:12] <Smeghead> Sounds like a case of "they suck over there"
and "I know all about them, I've never worked in the industry or
actually been a part of any of it but I know what I'm talking about".
[10:13] <Smeghead> Those crazy brown people and their silly
ways. They are inferior to us.
[10:13] <adama> man, this is exactly the kind of shit that made
us go commercial in the first place
[10:14] <adama> dude
[10:14] <adama> just fuck off
[10:14] <adama> you're getting really tiring now
[10:14] <Smeghead> It takes 10x more effort to deliver internet
to remote people.. not to mention flexibility and creativity.
[10:14] <Smeghead> Than some pompous pricks sitting in their offices
[10:15] <adama> so what was that, remove any existing wireless
support and hope everyone else fucks off too?
[10:16] <adama> ok then!
[10:16] <Smeghead> Hahh what wireless support?
[10:16] * ChanServ sets mode: +o adama
[10:16] * You were kicked by adama (Smeghead)
Session Close: Tue Mar 31 10:16:22 2015
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