To be fair, there are a lot of ‘standard’ mibs that companies either don’t implement (I wish Mikrotik would implement the OSPF mib, for example) or reimplement for no good reason (countless devices that ignore the Interfaces mib, and roll their own interface counters in their enterprise tree.)
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 4:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS It seems to me as simple as he doesn't want to support anything beyond the standard MIBs, no enterprise MIBs. Ooo, interface statistics and system uptime, that's everything you need to know! On 4/1/2015 9:49 AM, Bill Prince wrote: Just different volumes. Tens of millions of units versus a million, or maybe a few hundred thousand. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 4/1/2015 7:01 AM, Paul Stewart wrote: That’s the same in a lot of the telco world as well… DSLAM’s, DS3 Mux gear, DWDM gear .. various stuff.. they all have “weird” SNMP support at times…;) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy (and ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is acting the way that he is. I am -not- making an excuse for his behavior or attitude; just stating a fact. Josh On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote: Just shows you what sort "person" this guy is. Let him rot in his own cesspool of hate. He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him that would benefit a great deal of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said "naw I'm too lazy I don't want to do it." Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance. I'd like to do it, but its too hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I can't do it so I hate all of you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”? He likes Wispa candy bars? It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs. From: David Milholen Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code and is above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else and only have a decent piece of code nothing more. This is where open source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others have made and fix what needs to be fixed. These are the guys who make open source a great place to play. Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are all open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now. I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long way so now I run it on my Debian console with no issue. all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or Lubuntu on them to allow them to switch between networks quickly. Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min with contract and paid invoice. up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to linux. On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well. It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He was a tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what it did. Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool, but that's where we're at for now. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub) however you want. Belittle industries publically without consequence? Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end? I think its because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango Apex code in as well as other things and are invested. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from his product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product was great but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody will want to do business with a person like this who openly calls you and everything you work for a "retard" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded on something concrete. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lists" mailto:li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of "wifi people". This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is "ghetto". Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. [09:34] <Smeghead> any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) [09:34] <adama> are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs for every product? [09:35] <adama> everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs [09:37] <adama> yup, they are [09:38] <Smeghead> Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the millions of units out there. [09:38] <adama> different set of mibs for every fuckign product [09:38] <adama> jesus [09:38] <Smeghead> They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's [09:38] <adama> can you english? [09:39] <Smeghead> The interface stuff is the same for all of them [09:39] <Smeghead> its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product [09:40] <adama> fucking wifi people [09:40] <adama> you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors [09:40] <Smeghead> If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all sorts of stuff out. [09:40] <adama> and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you want [09:40] <adama> well fuck you all [09:40] <Smeghead> Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products. [09:41] <Smeghead> All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting those 2 fully [09:41] <adama> meh [09:41] <adama> get them to send us hardware [09:41] <adama> and maybe we'll give a shit [09:43] <Smeghead> I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. [09:43] <Smeghead> I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. [09:49] <Smeghead> to be honest though - I don't think observium is really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming [09:57] <adama> you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they really should build a pickup truck [09:57] <adama> i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about wireless [09:57] <Smeghead> Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas between the major cities? [09:58] <adama> i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not? [09:58] <Smeghead> Yeah all of the Western hemisphere.. [09:59] <adama> lol [09:59] <adama> XD [10:01] <adama> my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long ago [10:01] <Smeghead> Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high percentage of industry in the world that delivers internet.. yeah take this one. Its probably too hard and too much work for you. Because the wireless industry is retarded. [10:01] <adama> i know it is [10:02] <Smeghead> Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins for anything. Cacti is old and busted. Your product is new and refreshing. That is why the industry is bugging you. [10:04] <adama> go and make some cacti graphs then [10:04] <adama> i'm really fucking sick of this shit [10:04] <adama> it doesn't take 5 minutes to add support for things [10:04] <adama> especially no nfucking wireless stuff [10:04] <adama> so just fuck off [10:04] <adama> it's not going to happen [10:04] <adama> and every one who asks makes it less likely to happen [ 10:06] <Smeghead> But I'll bet if you asked for help you'd get it. Look I was willing to set you up a network with all the devices you need [10:06] <adama> excuse me whilst i replace these 32*10G bundles with some wireless [10:06] <adama> HURR [10:06] <adama> no [10:06] <adama> i'd get a pile of useless shitty code [10:06] <adama> that's the only thing we've ever gotten from the "community" [10:09] <aden> adama: make Observium -3rd world edition, that only supports mikrotik and ghetto wireless hardware [10:09] <adama> hah [10:10] <Smeghead> Mainly because its (Mikrotik) like 10% of the price and does the same job and even better in many cases. [10:11] <adama> no, they use it because it "just about works" and costs 10% of the price [10:11] <Smeghead> Dragonwave aint ghetto nor some of these other backhaul manufacturers. [10:12] <Smeghead> and your proof is from what experience? [10:12] <Smeghead> Sounds like a case of "they suck over there" and "I know all about them, I've never worked in the industry or actually been a part of any of it but I know what I'm talking about". [10:13] <Smeghead> Those crazy brown people and their silly ways. They are inferior to us. [10:13] <adama> man, this is exactly the kind of shit that made us go commercial in the first place [10:14] <adama> dude [10:14] <adama> just fuck off [10:14] <adama> you're getting really tiring now [10:14] <Smeghead> It takes 10x more effort to deliver internet to remote people.. not to mention flexibility and creativity. [10:14] <Smeghead> Than some pompous pricks sitting in their offices [10:15] <adama> so what was that, remove any existing wireless support and hope everyone else fucks off too? [10:16] <adama> ok then! [10:16] <Smeghead> Hahh what wireless support? [10:16] * ChanServ sets mode: +o adama [10:16] * You were kicked by adama (Smeghead) Session Close: Tue Mar 31 10:16:22 2015 --
