Fair enough, there are soup nazi aspects, though I've come to appreciate them after I got past my initial surprise. Ports that are enabled but unused being in alarm was the big one for me.
Also, it does not require reverse DNS, only forward. I suspect syslog collection needs reverse DNS to match up with hosts but I don't use that... There are good non-soup-nazi reasons to require hostnames as identifiers instead of IPs, not the least of which is if you're using IPs now you make IPv6 compatability a problem. I could go on about the many benefits of hostname as device ID as opposed to IP or integer but I'm not trying to sell anything :) On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > I stopped caring about Observium when someone said it wouldn’t monitor > something by IP address, it required both forward and reverse DNS. Even > though Mike tried to defend that. It’s “Soup Nazi” logic. Everything else > in the world accepts an IP address in place of a hostname, I suspect you > have to write extra code to NOT do that. > > > *From:* Jon Auer <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Saturday, April 04, 2015 5:52 PM > *To:* Animal Farm <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS > > Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear > has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet > equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and > grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, > that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. > Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the > drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint. > > That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's > volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked. > We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are > the client from hell. > > What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from... > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:18:33] While I completely > understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. > period... wasn't that a bit of an overreaction? > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking > idea > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:19:05] I don't, it's true. > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:06] these people will not take > no for an answer > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:07] they go on > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:08] and on > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:09] and on > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:10] and on > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, look > away from the screen? > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS > OF USERS, PLZ > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:32] couldn't you? > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay. > if he doesn't, ignore? > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:19:46] *oh, they all say they > want to pay* > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:19:49] Ah. > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:10] *but when they realise it > costs more than $5...* > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:20:15] Right. > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems > to be rammed full of overly entitled douches > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:48] whot hink it's totally > justified that we support evey bit of shitty kit they have > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:20:51] fucking wireless vendors > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:00] every new MODEL they > release has to come with an entirely new set of mibs > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:04] it's ridiculous > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:21:11] You're a victim of your own > success. > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:23] and none of these people > will ever listen when you tell them > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:32] adn they just keep coming > back and coming back > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:35] *he's asked here a few > times* > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:40] *and we've had these > conversations on the mailing list* > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:21:44] *and god knows what else* > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:02] and you'd think > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:03] when someone says > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:07] "fuck off, it's not going > to happen" > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:22:13] you'd realise that was, > well, that > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:22:53] I guess he really sees the > advantages of Observium, and is keen for you to have further market > penetration... over your express wishes (-: > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:06] no, he's keen to have his > own pet hardware supported > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:23:12] That too. > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:21] we already support 4 > different families of cambium kit > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:28] but apparently that doesn't > include the devices he has > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:23:44] and i'm sure if i checked, > we'd only have like 2-3 users using cambium kit > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:24:52] You could spend a few dozen > man months of eye-straining, back-breaking labour adding in some kind of > horribly complex and fucked up extensible API for 3rd party MIBs, and then > telling people they can add whatever the fuck support/devices they like, > but there's no support for it. > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:25:06] or not > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:25:14] Party-pooper. > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <BenA> [09:25:39] And people said you were a > nice guy. > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:25:46] rarely > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:25:55] and even more rarely in > here \o/ > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:26:49] *we have 3 cambium ptp400 > devices and 5 cambium ptp800 devices* > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:27:00] *in our entire userbase* > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:27:24] *1086 cambium canopy > devices* > [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] <@adama> [09:27:31] *but, ofc, he said they > weren't important and not to bother with them* > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 7:46 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I had got the impression that he didn't even want user contributions. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Jon Auer" <[email protected]> >> *To: *"Animal Farm" <[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Saturday, April 4, 2015 2:59:53 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS >> >> It's more than just OIDs, adding device support involves a fair amount of >> fiddly little things. Finding/cropping icon, regex to match the OS/device >> type to handle it correctly, logic to handle the device-specific things, >> logic to work around whatever they broke in the MIB (remember when Cambium >> returned strings instead of ints for some counters?). Then more testing. >> >> That's what makes Observium more useful out of the box than something >> like Cacti where you're adding OIDs onesey twosey to device templates. >> >> I think a big part of his reaction is, if you watch IRC, for the past >> few months to years there have been people asking for WISP features and >> pretty much nobody in a place to write code to do it. My guess is he is >> time constrained and would rather work on other things (hence >> non-responsiveness to offers of money) combined with not wanting to deal >> with what could be perceived as self-entitled communication from some users. >> >> The hostile reaction to WISP gear: >> CMMMicro is a switch that doesn't even use the switch MIB -> Work done >> to support WISP devices doesn't pay off in helping support other >> Enterprise/Wireline devices. >> >> Cambium is extra special because they version the PMP MIB against OS rev >> instead of starting out with a well-designed MIB as spec and fixing OS to >> match. The easy way out is to ignore that and use the latest but what >> happens when Cambium updates something? Bug reports from users on new OS >> complaining that something doesn't work. You update and now there's bug >> reports from the users that want to stay on old OS for a while. The hard >> way? Handle every OS rev differently/code gardening responsibility? You >> just can't win. >> >> <I digress> >> So, WISP gear, he doesn't need it and doesn't care. I need it and care so >> I write what I need. I may not appreciate the politics of Observium but >> I'm being pragmatic. I contributed what little Cambium PMP device support >> there is in Observium currently and I have more devices I'd like to see >> supported. If the time comes that my contributions are turned away I'll >> look for another monitoring solution, not out of spite but because I need >> to monitor all the things. >> >> There may come a time when I move to LibreNMS. They seem to have openness >> & saying yes down but I want to see how they handle saying no to extraneous >> things/feature creep beyond monitoring metrics (e.g. if it were me, >> allow/keep rancid integration but just say no to generalized IPAM). >> You can't please everyone and who/how they choose to please will be >> insightful. >> </I digress> >> >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want to >>> track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like >>> hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Neil Lathwood" <[email protected]> >>> *To: *[email protected] >>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS >>> >>> On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :) Some of us may >>>> have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy >>>> other products you want to support. >>>> >>> >>> The donation of equipment is a huge ++++. It wouldn't be necessary to >>> send the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what >>> data is available and work on adding support. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Neil >>> >>> >> >> >> > >
