It's more than just OIDs, adding device support involves a fair amount of
fiddly little things. Finding/cropping icon, regex to match the OS/device
type to handle it correctly, logic to handle the device-specific things,
logic to work around whatever they broke in the MIB (remember when Cambium
returned strings instead of ints for some counters?). Then more testing.

That's what makes Observium more useful out of the box than something like
Cacti where you're adding OIDs onesey twosey to device templates.

I think a big part of his reaction is, if you watch IRC, for the past few
months to years there have been people asking for WISP features and pretty
much nobody in a place to write code to do it. My guess is he is time
constrained and would rather work on other things (hence non-responsiveness
to offers of money) combined with not wanting to deal with what could be
perceived as self-entitled communication from some users.

The hostile reaction to WISP gear:
CMMMicro is a switch that doesn't even use the switch MIB -> Work done to
support WISP devices doesn't pay off in helping support other
Enterprise/Wireline devices.

Cambium is extra special because they version the PMP MIB against OS rev
instead of starting out with a well-designed MIB as spec and fixing OS to
match. The easy way out is to ignore that and use the latest but what
happens when Cambium updates something? Bug reports from users on new OS
complaining that something doesn't work. You update and now there's bug
reports from the users that want to stay on old OS for a while. The hard
way? Handle every OS rev differently/code gardening responsibility? You
just can't win.

<I digress>
So, WISP gear, he doesn't need it and doesn't care. I need it and care so I
write what I need. I may not  appreciate the politics of Observium but I'm
being pragmatic. I contributed what little Cambium PMP device support there
is in Observium currently and I have more devices I'd like to see
supported. If the time comes that my contributions are turned away I'll
look for another monitoring solution, not out of spite but because I need
to monitor all the things.

There may come a time when I move to LibreNMS. They seem to have openness &
saying yes down but I want to see how they handle saying no to extraneous
things/feature creep beyond monitoring metrics (e.g. if it were me,
allow/keep rancid integration but just say no to generalized IPAM).
You can't please everyone and who/how they choose to please will be
insightful.
</I digress>

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:

> Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want to
> track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like
> hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Neil Lathwood" <[email protected]>
> *To: *[email protected]
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
>
> On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :)  Some of us may
>> have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy
>> other products you want to support.
>>
>
> The donation of equipment is a huge ++++. It wouldn't be necessary to send
> the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what data is
> available and work on adding support.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Neil
>
>

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