Can’t be a Ubiquiti product ... name doesn’t contain “air” or “tough” or “fi” 
or “beam”.

How about WormBeam, or AirHole.

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 9:23 PM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

Is that .... Worm with holes ? or Holes in Worms ?

Confused  :)

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  From: "Matt Hardy" <[email protected]>
  To: [email protected]
  Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 9:08:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X


  Exactly :)

  On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:09 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
<[email protected]> wrote:

    Wormholes. 


    On 5/4/2015 7:03 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

      The short burst concept could work. In that case, longer links would be 
better. How many bits(bytes) can you fit into a microsecond? At 10 miles, 
transit time is a little over 53 microseconds. So both ends could start 
transmitting at the same time, and if they shut up at 53 microseconds, the 
incoming would be in the clear.

      bp
      <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

      On 5/4/2015 4:51 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

        But if I try to talk while you're talking, on the assumption that by 
the time you receive my transmission you will have stopped talking and can now 
listen, I have the additional problem that I can't talk because I'm listening.

        The only way I see this working is if we send in extremely short bursts 
no longer than the time the bits take to fly through the air.  So we both send 
our tiny burst, and just as the first bits get to the other end, we both stop 
xmt and switch to rcv so we can grab the bits.  Modify this to allow for OFDM 
cyclic prefix and delays due to multipath reflections, etc.


        -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince
        Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:42 PM
        To: [email protected]
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

        Think of the air in between as a storage device.

        bp
        <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

        On 5/4/2015 4:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

          Ubiquiti claims to have that patent pending HDD mode where it figures 
out how long the bits take to fly through the air.

          I think of it as similar to road construction on one lane of a two 
lane road, and somehow the flagger at one end will flip his sign from STOP to 
SLOW before the guy at the other end.  I can't wrap my head around how that 
works.


          -----Original Message----- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
          Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:03 PM
          To: [email protected]
          Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

          I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't
          want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so
          yes, like a licensed radio.

          No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency 
would
          be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be
          like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better.

          On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

            So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed 
backhaul?

            What's is latency like on the AF5X?  Similar to a PTP600, a few 
milliseconds and very constant?


            -----Original Message----- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
            Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM
            To: [email protected]
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

            No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts.

            On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

              Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the 
difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up 
with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement 
for a Rocket?

              I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX 
antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput.  But I'm sure there's more to it. 
It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
















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