Maybe it's a non-issue, but it seems like active layout is the way to go. You wind up with a fiber or two to each house and you can still hook it up in a pon configuration, but have the option to upgrade in the future. If I wanted to, I could easily do 10gbps symmetric every house right now.
On Wednesday, June 24, 2015, Chuck Hogg <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, we're importing direct from China currently. It's cheap. For > example, we bought a demo kit, OLT, 16 of each ONT, Power Supplies, > etc...<$5k. Each port is 1:64 capable, and has 8 ports. Essentially we'll > probably only do 1:32. Gives us around 200 subs per unit. I think that > breaks it down to less than $15. ONTs are <$60. > > The engineering design of PON makes construction cheap. We are using a 12 > ct drop ($.19/ft) to serve 100 units. Essentially, we'll do a 1x8 PLC with > 4 feeders. The 4 feeders repeat this design. Essentially, you can serve > 160 units that way. I can reuse the infrastructure over and over and over > easily. > > PLC's are super duper cheap. I pay less than $25 landed cost to me from > China, regardless of 1x2-1x32. > > My biggest cost is construction and machine maintenance. > > Regards, > Chuck > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Roger Timmerman <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: > >> What are you guys seeing on your cost-per-customer for GPON OLT >> electronics? Based on 1:16 or 1:32 split? What about the ONT cost? >> >> For simple Ethernet aggregation of fiber, I've been looking at a cost of >> about $42/port for fiber aggregation (Huawei S5700-52X-LI-48CS-AC), with >> another $40 per bidi transceiver (1/2 of a dual bidi CSFP). Then on the >> ONT side I have seen ~$40 for a dumb media converter with built-in bidi to >> $100 for a full featured indoor ONT with 4 GigE ports and 2 POTS. >> >> I haven't priced out GPON solutions in a while, but last I checked, it >> ended up costing a lot more than this. Granted, I understand the OSP >> benefits of GPON, but just want to look at an electronics comparison. >> >> Roger >> >> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Chuck Hogg <[email protected] >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >> >>> I'm working on a new one right now (ZTE), but I will say we have had >>> issues with Dasan. I would love to talk to someone who has deployed ZTE. >>> We're also evaluating Alphion. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Chuck >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 12:08 PM, KevinR <[email protected] >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >>> >>>> Chuck, >>>> >>>> Can you tell us what vendors are working for you? >>>> I know you have said you have tried a few. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 23, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Chuck Hogg <[email protected] >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >>>> >>>> The more PON we do, the more I like it. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected] >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> PON to the desktop would only have active gear in the NOC and in the >>>>> device. Everything between is passive. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Nate Burke" <[email protected] >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> >>>>> *To: *[email protected] <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> >>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:16:36 AM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Indoor GPON - Why? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But Why? I understand Long haul PON for FTTH, to conserve miles and >>>>> miles of trunk fiber, but why in a building? Instead of having a single >>>>> device (a switch) you now have active hardware all over the building to >>>>> manage and maintain (And power). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 6/23/2015 10:08 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>> >>>>> PON looks to be where people are going for fiber to the desktop. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Nate Burke" <[email protected]> >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> >>>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" <[email protected]> >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> >>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 23, 2015 9:49:14 AM >>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Indoor GPON - Why? >>>>> >>>>> We just had a new public library built here in town. The entire LAN >>>>> infrastructure is built on PON using the Tellabs ONT's. >>>>> http://www01.tellabs.com/products/tellabs1100ont.shtml I've briefly >>>>> looked around their site, and read some case studies, but Why would >>>>> you >>>>> choose PON infrastructure in a single building? From what I can tell, >>>>> you still have to run CAT 5 to the ONT for power, and the 4 port units >>>>> (which I saw several around the library) have a wall-wort and a power >>>>> switch. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the concept, other >>>>> than someone make a slick presentation, and someone else got a nice >>>>> payoff. I wouldn't be surprised of the Latter, every single 120v >>>>> outlet >>>>> in the building is a 20A duplex receptacle with USB Ports (~$30 each) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
