No one right now, never know what you'll need in the future though. On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Lewis Bergman <[email protected]> wrote:
> And who would pay you for that? I agree a fiber to every user from the > feed is ideal. PON is progressing at the pace that I see nobody, at least > in our area, that will need more than what PON can affordably provide now. > By the time we need 10G out here, the big guys would have brought the price > point down for that too. > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 3:10 AM, Jason McKemie < > [email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: > >> Maybe it's a non-issue, but it seems like active layout is the way to go. >> You wind up with a fiber or two to each house and you can still hook it up >> in a pon configuration, but have the option to upgrade in the future. If I >> wanted to, I could easily do 10gbps symmetric every house right now. >> >> >> On Wednesday, June 24, 2015, Chuck Hogg <[email protected] >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >> >>> Well, we're importing direct from China currently. It's cheap. For >>> example, we bought a demo kit, OLT, 16 of each ONT, Power Supplies, >>> etc...<$5k. Each port is 1:64 capable, and has 8 ports. Essentially we'll >>> probably only do 1:32. Gives us around 200 subs per unit. I think that >>> breaks it down to less than $15. ONTs are <$60. >>> >>> The engineering design of PON makes construction cheap. We are using a >>> 12 ct drop ($.19/ft) to serve 100 units. Essentially, we'll do a 1x8 PLC >>> with 4 feeders. The 4 feeders repeat this design. Essentially, you can >>> serve 160 units that way. I can reuse the infrastructure over and over and >>> over easily. >>> >>> PLC's are super duper cheap. I pay less than $25 landed cost to me from >>> China, regardless of 1x2-1x32. >>> >>> My biggest cost is construction and machine maintenance. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Chuck >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Roger Timmerman <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> What are you guys seeing on your cost-per-customer for GPON OLT >>>> electronics? Based on 1:16 or 1:32 split? What about the ONT cost? >>>> >>>> For simple Ethernet aggregation of fiber, I've been looking at a cost >>>> of about $42/port for fiber aggregation (Huawei S5700-52X-LI-48CS-AC), >>>> with another $40 per bidi transceiver (1/2 of a dual bidi CSFP). Then on >>>> the ONT side I have seen ~$40 for a dumb media converter with built-in bidi >>>> to $100 for a full featured indoor ONT with 4 GigE ports and 2 POTS. >>>> >>>> I haven't priced out GPON solutions in a while, but last I checked, it >>>> ended up costing a lot more than this. Granted, I understand the OSP >>>> benefits of GPON, but just want to look at an electronics comparison. >>>> >>>> Roger >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Chuck Hogg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm working on a new one right now (ZTE), but I will say we have had >>>>> issues with Dasan. I would love to talk to someone who has deployed ZTE. >>>>> We're also evaluating Alphion. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 12:08 PM, KevinR <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Chuck, >>>>>> >>>>>> Can you tell us what vendors are working for you? >>>>>> I know you have said you have tried a few. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 23, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Chuck Hogg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The more PON we do, the more I like it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Chuck >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> PON to the desktop would only have active gear in the NOC and in the >>>>>>> device. Everything between is passive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From: *"Nate Burke" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:16:36 AM >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Indoor GPON - Why? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But Why? I understand Long haul PON for FTTH, to conserve miles and >>>>>>> miles of trunk fiber, but why in a building? Instead of having a single >>>>>>> device (a switch) you now have active hardware all over the building to >>>>>>> manage and maintain (And power). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6/23/2015 10:08 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PON looks to be where people are going for fiber to the desktop. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From: *"Nate Burke" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 23, 2015 9:49:14 AM >>>>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Indoor GPON - Why? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We just had a new public library built here in town. The entire LAN >>>>>>> infrastructure is built on PON using the Tellabs ONT's. >>>>>>> http://www01.tellabs.com/products/tellabs1100ont.shtml I've >>>>>>> briefly >>>>>>> looked around their site, and read some case studies, but Why would >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> choose PON infrastructure in a single building? From what I can >>>>>>> tell, >>>>>>> you still have to run CAT 5 to the ONT for power, and the 4 port >>>>>>> units >>>>>>> (which I saw several around the library) have a wall-wort and a >>>>>>> power >>>>>>> switch. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the concept, >>>>>>> other >>>>>>> than someone make a slick presentation, and someone else got a nice >>>>>>> payoff. I wouldn't be surprised of the Latter, every single 120v >>>>>>> outlet >>>>>>> in the building is a 20A duplex receptacle with USB Ports (~$30 each) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >
