Sort of related maybe - does anyone know if electric co-ops are still exempt from FCC pole attachment rules?
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 3:01 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > If you put in poles in the ROW, they are there for anyone else to use as > well I assume? > If you were putting it down for long stretches like this, rural, where > homesare 1/4 mile to 3 miles apart, would you put a hndhole in in front > just in case? half the homes are 1/8 to 1/4 mile up a lane so it would > still have a cost down the road to pick them up > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > >> Yes, you can put in poles. >> No, I don’t put handholes anywhere I don’t need to. That normally means >> splice cases. If you can see a place where you may want to branch off in >> the future, yes put in a handhole and some slack. >> >> No, farmers do not do JULIE. So you hit their irrigation lines or their >> water or sewer, you fix it. >> >> If you ruin a farmer’s crop, normally you pay for that too. I don’t >> think ROWs give you surface rights. You can still farm the land. And >> whoever is under you has to compensate you for losses. >> >> Costs depend on installation technology. Plowed, assuming you own the >> plow, you can be in the $2/foot range. >> Bored you will be in the $20/foot range. >> Rock will be more. >> >> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:47 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >> >> If there are no poles, does ROW give privilege to put them in? I assume >> that would get costly. >> >> Im probably wrong here, but I dont like poles of the wood kind, our >> drunks in our rural areas are masters at taking out more than one per DUI, >> we have champion drunks here. And I dee them snapped alot in the winter >> time. >> >> I wouldnt consider anything direct buried. >> >> >> Would you put handholes in at intersections where you would be making a >> turn? >> >> Do farmers do JULIE (thats our locating program in this area) before they >> tile? I assume not since they take ROW to farm, a little each year (we had >> a project go through a couple years ago where a farmer has a few miles of >> corn about 10 feet wide dug out for being in the ROW, I loved it, cheating >> tax subsidized prick) >> >> >> On average, for plowed or trenched duct, permitting costs aside, what is >> the cost per mile to run fiber (duct and fiber I assume are the only >> infrastructure costs exclusing the treminations and hardware on each end) >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net >> > wrote: >> >>> How do Comcast and Centurylink get that privilege then? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:20 AM >>> >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >>> >>> >>> >>> Nope >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> >>> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:11 AM >>> >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >>> >>> >>> >>> Also, does this mean we can get on the city/plat developers list and put >>> conduit in open trench and see/approve developer ROW plans? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:06 AM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >>> >>> >>> >>> Ye’all have rights for ROWs now. Was in the latest report and order >>> from the FCC. If you are a BIAS provider (which you all are) you are >>> considered a “public utility” for the purpose of obtain ROW access. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 10:19 AM >>> >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >>> >>> >>> >>> The original rule of thumb was something to do with what size stick you >>> can use to beat your wife/kids without breaking the law. 144 strand loose >>> tube is about the size of a thumb, so in some jurisdictions you might have >>> been able to discipline your family with it. Say hi to your thumb for me. >>> >>> Aerial is cheaper if you have pole attachment rights. You don't need >>> pole attachment rights (or any special rights) to bury in a ROW, but you >>> can point at it when some guvmint goon questions you. It looks kind of >>> official. >>> >>> On 6/30/2015 12:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: >>> >>> Say you want to run fiber for 10 miles. >>> >>> Aside from the boring equipment and permits what does that entail? >>> >>> >>> >>> I know there are 36 bazillion answers, but humor me. >>> >>> >>> >>> Details like how often you need handholes and how to deal with slacking >>> for cut fiber splicing would be very helpful. >>> >>> >>> >>> What is a rule of thumb in your long term planning on how often you can >>> expect a fiber cut. (an example of rule of thumb is I expect a storm >>> related issue at least once every three years at every site, there is no >>> actual science, or math, I just look at my thumb and it provides me sage >>> answers) >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> > > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > -- Harold Bledsoe
