Do those fees go to the owner of the pole? Not that theres really probably a market for other stuff in these areas, I assume if we put them in we are also on the hook for pole repairs when our drunks smash into them?
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: > Co-ops are exempt from a bunch of regulatory things. I don’t think > things have changed there. > But if they let anyone on, they have to let everyone on I think. I never > had a problem with a co-op letting me on a pole. > > *From:* Harold Bledsoe <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:16 PM > *To:* af <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country > > Sort of related maybe - does anyone know if electric co-ops are still > exempt from FCC pole attachment rules? > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 3:01 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> If you put in poles in the ROW, they are there for anyone else to use as >> well I assume? >> If you were putting it down for long stretches like this, rural, where >> homesare 1/4 mile to 3 miles apart, would you put a hndhole in in front >> just in case? half the homes are 1/8 to 1/4 mile up a lane so it would >> still have a cost down the road to pick them up >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Yes, you can put in poles. >>> No, I don’t put handholes anywhere I don’t need to. That normally means >>> splice cases. If you can see a place where you may want to branch off in >>> the future, yes put in a handhole and some slack. >>> >>> No, farmers do not do JULIE. So you hit their irrigation lines or their >>> water or sewer, you fix it. >>> >>> If you ruin a farmer’s crop, normally you pay for that too. I don’t >>> think ROWs give you surface rights. You can still farm the land. And >>> whoever is under you has to compensate you for losses. >>> >>> Costs depend on installation technology. Plowed, assuming you own the >>> plow, you can be in the $2/foot range. >>> Bored you will be in the $20/foot range. >>> Rock will be more. >>> >>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:47 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >>> >>> If there are no poles, does ROW give privilege to put them in? I >>> assume that would get costly. >>> >>> Im probably wrong here, but I dont like poles of the wood kind, our >>> drunks in our rural areas are masters at taking out more than one per DUI, >>> we have champion drunks here. And I dee them snapped alot in the winter >>> time. >>> >>> I wouldnt consider anything direct buried. >>> >>> >>> Would you put handholes in at intersections where you would be making a >>> turn? >>> >>> Do farmers do JULIE (thats our locating program in this area) before >>> they tile? I assume not since they take ROW to farm, a little each year (we >>> had a project go through a couple years ago where a farmer has a few miles >>> of corn about 10 feet wide dug out for being in the ROW, I loved it, >>> cheating tax subsidized prick) >>> >>> >>> On average, for plowed or trenched duct, permitting costs aside, what is >>> the cost per mile to run fiber (duct and fiber I assume are the only >>> infrastructure costs exclusing the treminations and hardware on each end) >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Sterling Jacobson < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> How do Comcast and Centurylink get that privilege then? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:20 AM >>>> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Nope >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:11 AM >>>> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Also, does this mean we can get on the city/plat developers list and >>>> put conduit in open trench and see/approve developer ROW plans? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:06 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ye’all have rights for ROWs now. Was in the latest report and order >>>> from the FCC. If you are a BIAS provider (which you all are) you are >>>> considered a “public utility” for the purpose of obtain ROW access. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 10:19 AM >>>> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The original rule of thumb was something to do with what size stick you >>>> can use to beat your wife/kids without breaking the law. 144 strand loose >>>> tube is about the size of a thumb, so in some jurisdictions you might have >>>> been able to discipline your family with it. Say hi to your thumb for me. >>>> >>>> Aerial is cheaper if you have pole attachment rights. You don't need >>>> pole attachment rights (or any special rights) to bury in a ROW, but you >>>> can point at it when some guvmint goon questions you. It looks kind of >>>> official. >>>> >>>> On 6/30/2015 12:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: >>>> >>>> Say you want to run fiber for 10 miles. >>>> >>>> Aside from the boring equipment and permits what does that entail? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I know there are 36 bazillion answers, but humor me. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Details like how often you need handholes and how to deal with slacking >>>> for cut fiber splicing would be very helpful. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What is a rule of thumb in your long term planning on how often you can >>>> expect a fiber cut. (an example of rule of thumb is I expect a storm >>>> related issue at least once every three years at every site, there is no >>>> actual science, or math, I just look at my thumb and it provides me sage >>>> answers) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> > > > > -- > > Harold Bledsoe > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
