I have put towers in the ROW for use a towers, so I would presume yes. From: Christopher Gray Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country
A little off topic, but pole related: Can poles be put in the ROW for use primarily as small towers? On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: Yep, minimum of $2/pole per year. Probably more like $12 to $20. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country Do those fees go to the owner of the pole? Not that theres really probably a market for other stuff in these areas, I assume if we put them in we are also on the hook for pole repairs when our drunks smash into them? On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: Co-ops are exempt from a bunch of regulatory things. I don’t think things have changed there. But if they let anyone on, they have to let everyone on I think. I never had a problem with a co-op letting me on a pole. From: Harold Bledsoe Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:16 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country Sort of related maybe - does anyone know if electric co-ops are still exempt from FCC pole attachment rules? On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 3:01 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <[email protected]> wrote: If you put in poles in the ROW, they are there for anyone else to use as well I assume? If you were putting it down for long stretches like this, rural, where homesare 1/4 mile to 3 miles apart, would you put a hndhole in in front just in case? half the homes are 1/8 to 1/4 mile up a lane so it would still have a cost down the road to pick them up On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: Yes, you can put in poles. No, I don’t put handholes anywhere I don’t need to. That normally means splice cases. If you can see a place where you may want to branch off in the future, yes put in a handhole and some slack. No, farmers do not do JULIE. So you hit their irrigation lines or their water or sewer, you fix it. If you ruin a farmer’s crop, normally you pay for that too. I don’t think ROWs give you surface rights. You can still farm the land. And whoever is under you has to compensate you for losses. Costs depend on installation technology. Plowed, assuming you own the plow, you can be in the $2/foot range. Bored you will be in the $20/foot range. Rock will be more. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country If there are no poles, does ROW give privilege to put them in? I assume that would get costly. Im probably wrong here, but I dont like poles of the wood kind, our drunks in our rural areas are masters at taking out more than one per DUI, we have champion drunks here. And I dee them snapped alot in the winter time. I wouldnt consider anything direct buried. Would you put handholes in at intersections where you would be making a turn? Do farmers do JULIE (thats our locating program in this area) before they tile? I assume not since they take ROW to farm, a little each year (we had a project go through a couple years ago where a farmer has a few miles of corn about 10 feet wide dug out for being in the ROW, I loved it, cheating tax subsidized prick) On average, for plowed or trenched duct, permitting costs aside, what is the cost per mile to run fiber (duct and fiber I assume are the only infrastructure costs exclusing the treminations and hardware on each end) On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Sterling Jacobson <[email protected]> wrote: How do Comcast and Centurylink get that privilege then? From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country Nope From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country Also, does this mean we can get on the city/plat developers list and put conduit in open trench and see/approve developer ROW plans? From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country Ye’all have rights for ROWs now. Was in the latest report and order from the FCC. If you are a BIAS provider (which you all are) you are considered a “public utility” for the purpose of obtain ROW access. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 10:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country The original rule of thumb was something to do with what size stick you can use to beat your wife/kids without breaking the law. 144 strand loose tube is about the size of a thumb, so in some jurisdictions you might have been able to discipline your family with it. Say hi to your thumb for me. Aerial is cheaper if you have pole attachment rights. You don't need pole attachment rights (or any special rights) to bury in a ROW, but you can point at it when some guvmint goon questions you. It looks kind of official. On 6/30/2015 12:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Say you want to run fiber for 10 miles. Aside from the boring equipment and permits what does that entail? I know there are 36 bazillion answers, but humor me. Details like how often you need handholes and how to deal with slacking for cut fiber splicing would be very helpful. What is a rule of thumb in your long term planning on how often you can expect a fiber cut. (an example of rule of thumb is I expect a storm related issue at least once every three years at every site, there is no actual science, or math, I just look at my thumb and it provides me sage answers) -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- Harold Bledsoe -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
