I've done it once and it's worked out great. Maybe I'll keep it at once. ;-)
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:32:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Same here on self install. I tried it 4 times that I recall. One did everything right, one did everything wrong and needed lots of help, one did everything ok except he didn't plug in the PoE correctly (and was a major ass on the phone about it not working, and didn't have the decency to show any shame when the mistake was pointed out). All of them except one needed enough phone support time that I could have gone and done it myself. Most of the time I think I would rather do my own install for free than rely on the customer to do it. My experience is not a good sample size.....but even if all your customers are geniuses, that doesn't mean they know what good practices are for cabling or antenna placement. On 7/15/2015 3:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Self-install always gives me the heebie-jeebies, maybe it’s just a matter of spelling out we don’t come out for free and fix problems that were caused by your install job, and we don’t let your poor signal bog down the whole AP. Anyway, I’m seeing more and more of these metal roofs on buildings. Not just pole buildings, but houses, both new construction and re-roofs. So being able to mount to fascia boards, gable ends, etc. is getting more important. I’m a lot more comfortable doing that with a CLIP or integrated panel than with a reflector dish, given the winds out here in windfarm land. And 12x12 is a nice size. We don’t really use 450 in NLOS situations, but I know those of you who do would like a mid-gain option, the thinking being that a bare SM doesn’t have enough oomph to punch through trees, but a dish focuses the beam too much to capture signal off the leaves. From: Brian Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i That would help our Self-Install customers a lot. If it ends up to be much more expensive than SM + $60 reflector dish, it may not be desirable. Cost is a big motivator. On 7/15/2015 1:44 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote: <blockquote> If I were to say that there would be a 12” square flat panel (think about the PMP 450i integrated SM tilted at a 45 degree) for 3.65 GHz available, would there be strong interest in this from this crowd? It would be somewhat more expensive, but would have an integrated 19 dBi flat panel antenna, and the PMP 450i rear housing (but contain the existing 450 SM PCB). Matt From: Af [ mailto:[email protected] ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i We put up a 3.65 connectorized SM with a tan Mars 15x15 panel oriented like a diamond, on some customer’s upscale house that was the exact same color. He was very happy. I just hope he doesn’t tell all his neighbors and they want it too, because it was really too expensive by the time you add up the premium for 3.65 + the premium for connectorized SM + a fairly expensive panel antenna. Also the pigtails just reached, but Cambium is working on that. So an integrated panel would be nice. Although the 3.65 bare SMs work amazingly well at 1-2 miles. From: George Skorup Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i The throughput issues with both bridge mode and especially NAT mode was resolved with 13.2. I think Aaron posted some screenshots while they were working on it. If your linktest gets you say 60x20Mbps, you can get very close to that in bridge mode, NAT mode is slightly less, but it's not as bad as it used to be (was about 10Mbps!). We will probably move to the 450d SM for 5GHz and do away with reflectors and Stingers (sorry Chuck). We are also not doing any more 2.4GHz. We have a single sector up with about 25 SMs on it and it works fine for the most part, but the noise is horrible. And all I want for 3GHz is an integrated panel SM. On 7/15/2015 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: <blockquote> Yeah they max out way before the AP does...30meg might be right....but we're not usually selling more than that to one customer. There's room in the market for a higher end SM for sure. On 7/15/2015 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: <blockquote> Higher peak Tx power also brings about higher Tx power at max modulation. Tx power at lowest modulation doesn't mean much to me. Weren't there complains that the 450 SMs were running out of steam at like 30 megabit? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Moffett" mailto:[email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:13:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i I can also see why you wouldn't do it. 450d can max out the (FCC) legal EIRP with the available tx power. The higher pps, faster processor, etc are features more useful for an AP. Maybe they keep the cost down a little by NOT doing more with that one. Or phrased another way, maybe 450di would be the ideal CPE except nobody would buy it because the 450d was cheaper. ....just speculation. On 7/15/2015 10:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: <blockquote> *nods* The press release prompted the question. It seems like a 450di would be the ideal 450 CPE. ;-) ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Mangriotis" mailto:[email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:55:06 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [ mailto:[email protected] ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm mailto:[email protected] Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote>
