I dunno...
I think the world would be a better place if bad drivers weren't
allowed to drive. They need to retest or something every decade or so,
maybe just once they get more than one violation. I don't know, but
too many people drive like idiots just to get to the red light one
second faster than the next guy. Maybe they just all need to get off
their butts and build a race car, get it out of their system.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Mathew Howard <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:* af <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2015 5:54 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings
Yes... realistically, the same standards wouldn't work here. If we
had the same requirements to be able to drive, half the population
wouldn't have any way to get to work (or wherever it is they need
to go) everyday. Thousands of lives would be saved every year from
the reduction in traffic deaths, but I'm pretty sure there would
be very, very little support from anyone for changing our driving
standards to something similar to what Germany has.
On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Patrick Leary
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I lived in Germany. There, people pay good money to earn the
privilege to drive. You must be 18 and it costs well over a
grand. As a result, German drivers are predictable. You’ll
never see a German driver passing on the right. You’ll never
see a German driver holding up traffic in a left or even
middle lane. You won’t see a German change lanes without using
their indicator. And of course, Germans respect that
government has a job and is not the enemy, so they don’t
reject taxation for infrastructure. As a result, Germany has
MUCH better roads than we do. Seriously. The German autobahn
is twice as thick and better banked. To be fair, we have
thousands of miles more of Interstate, so we do have a harder
job. Still. Also, you can’t drive a jalopy in Germany, which
has strict inspection rules, that even include aesthetics, but
the emphasis is on safe functioning.
We can’t realistically have the same regime though, we have
much larger distances and lots of backroads and farms and
country roads. I think we don’t need the same standard of
road, but we do need roads that are well-maintained, and we
need much better driving skills. Our cops should focus less on
cherry-picking speed traps (many areas here in FL are
nationally famous for bullshit speed traps – e.g. Waldo, FL)
and more on ticketing bad drivers.
Driver etiquette is the real differentiator between the U.S.
and Germany. A German won’t say, “I’m driving the speed limit
so screw you, go around.” Germans, like other Europeans,
understand they have a civic responsibility. Too many
Americans reject civic responsibility as being “against
freedom” and “un-American.” The closest parallel in the U.S.
to how the Germans behave is the Mormon population, which
places a very high premium on civic responsibility, public
dignity, decency, the idea of body politic as one functioning
unit. The concept of the Hive (ergo, Chuck’s Beehive).
-Patrick
*On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2015 4:32 PM
*To:* af <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings
What's right for one country, isn't necessarily right for
another. While I would love to be able to drive as fast I
think is safe, knowing how the typical American drives, I'd
guess that it would be far more deadly here than in Germany. I
suspect the same logic applies to other stuff to some extent.
On Oct 10, 2015 11:05 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Countrys with weak gun control have more shot people.
Simple logic in my eyes.
Nothing to say against if the majority of a country takes
this into account. Just strange in
the eyes of a foreign citizen.
In my country you can buy a BMW and drive as fast as you
think it is ok on highways.
this kills, too. Same arguments here. It is the freedom to
drive.
*Von:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *Im Auftrag von *Mike Hammett
*Gesendet:* Samstag, 10. Oktober 2015 16:47
*An:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings
Except that most mass shootings are done with weapons that
were obtained in circumstances that even the most strict
of control laws would allow. The weapons painted as being
so evil just plain aren't used in these situations.
Logic doesn't lead you to gun control.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*From: *"Darin Steffl" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Saturday, October 10, 2015 8:12:08 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings
I carry a .380 pistol with me most of the time but I only
own three guns myself. I also consider myself to have many
Democratic views when it comes to gun policy and
Republican views with taxes & business aspects.
I personally think it should be MUCH harder to purchase a
firearm than it is. When I purchased my new glock, I
ordered it online at Gander Mountain and walked into the
store, they did a quick background check and I walked out
in 10 minutes. It was great to me as a consumer and easy.
BUT, what if I was angry or in the heat of the moment and
wanted to harm people. Now that easy gun purchase allowed
me to walk out the same day with a deadly weapon.
I do not think our government is trying to take guns away
as the crazy Republicans like to lie about. I do think we
should have much stricter gun control though to keep the
nutty people from having easy access. All that is going to
do is make it take longer to purchase a legal firearm,
which I am perfectly fine with if it prevents even one
shooting death or mass shooting.
If there's other policies being proposed that can help
limit access to guns, I'm all for it if it still allows me
to purchase a pistol to carry legally and a shotgun to go
hunting. I don't believe I should be allowed to own a
machine gun type weapon for use at my home. Weapons like
that should be allowed only at shooting ranges and locked
up under heavy security. They do not belong at a
residential home anywhere for sport or home protection.
So anyway, I think there are gun nuts out there that like
to walk around while open carrying and say Obama is trying
to steal all our guns. I think they're crazy and need a
bonk on the head to come to your senses. Try acting normal
and conceal your weapon, don't talk like a crazy gun nut
and try to realize you don't need a machine gun.
The government's job is to protect as many citizens as
possible. That means more laws, more enforcement, and more
compliance. We can't easily identify and stop all people
who will commit a shooting crime. We can more easily
target guns themselves and prevent the sale of them to as
many "bad" people as possible. For "good" and legal people
who want to buy one, stop complaining about gun control
and embrace it in order to help save lives. Gun control
isn't meant for good people, only the bad people. You'll
still be able to buy any weapon you "need" in order to
hunt or protect your home.
On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 5:48 AM, Gino Villarini
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Freedom is not the exercise to choose whatever you
want. Heck then free all the child molesters! Human
beings need to be controlled, that the whole reasoning
behind laws. Im with Jaime and Stefan on this.
On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 6:28 AM, Mike Hammett
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
There are many items that kill more humans than
first world guns.
-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*From: *"Stefan Englhardt" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Friday, October 9, 2015 11:21:43 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings
Looking at this with a foreign view I can't
understand this "gun love" in US. It is not all
about the criminals or idiots. Just look at the
statistics for accidents with weapons. The only
way to save lifes is to be very restrictive. If
someone wants to shoot he can go to a shooting
club and leave the weapon there. It is not freedom
to have a gun at home. It is silly esp. with kids
around.
You can't avoid killing with banning weapons but
you can reduce it. If I need a weapon I call for
police or security.
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