Oh, I agree... the world would be better if we could get rid of bad
drivers. I have to agree with what Patrick said, cops should focus
more on ticketing bad drivers, and not so much on randomly giving out
tickets on highways where everyone (including cops...) speeds.
On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Glen Waldrop <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I dunno...
I think the world would be a better place if bad drivers weren't
allowed to drive. They need to retest or something every decade or
so, maybe just once they get more than one violation. I don't
know, but too many people drive like idiots just to get to the red
light one second faster than the next guy. Maybe they just all
need to get off their butts and build a race car, get it out of
their system.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Mathew Howard <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:* af <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2015 5:54 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings
Yes... realistically, the same standards wouldn't work here.
If we had the same requirements to be able to drive, half the
population wouldn't have any way to get to work (or wherever
it is they need to go) everyday. Thousands of lives would be
saved every year from the reduction in traffic deaths, but I'm
pretty sure there would be very, very little support from
anyone for changing our driving standards to something similar
to what Germany has.
On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Patrick Leary
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
I lived in Germany. There, people pay good money to earn
the privilege to drive. You must be 18 and it costs well
over a grand. As a result, German drivers are predictable.
You’ll never see a German driver passing on the right.
You’ll never see a German driver holding up traffic in a
left or even middle lane. You won’t see a German change
lanes without using their indicator. And of course,
Germans respect that government has a job and is not the
enemy, so they don’t reject taxation for infrastructure.
As a result, Germany has MUCH better roads than we do.
Seriously. The German autobahn is twice as thick and
better banked. To be fair, we have thousands of miles more
of Interstate, so we do have a harder job. Still. Also,
you can’t drive a jalopy in Germany, which has strict
inspection rules, that even include aesthetics, but the
emphasis is on safe functioning.
We can’t realistically have the same regime though, we
have much larger distances and lots of backroads and farms
and country roads. I think we don’t need the same standard
of road, but we do need roads that are well-maintained,
and we need much better driving skills. Our cops should
focus less on cherry-picking speed traps (many areas here
in FL are nationally famous for bullshit speed traps –
e.g. Waldo, FL) and more on ticketing bad drivers.
Driver etiquette is the real differentiator between the
U.S. and Germany. A German won’t say, “I’m driving the
speed limit so screw you, go around.” Germans, like other
Europeans, understand they have a civic responsibility.
Too many Americans reject civic responsibility as being
“against freedom” and “un-American.” The closest parallel
in the U.S. to how the Germans behave is the Mormon
population, which places a very high premium on civic
responsibility, public dignity, decency, the idea of body
politic as one functioning unit. The concept of the Hive
(ergo, Chuck’s Beehive).
-Patrick
*On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2015 4:32 PM
*To:* af <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings
What's right for one country, isn't necessarily right for
another. While I would love to be able to drive as fast I
think is safe, knowing how the typical American drives,
I'd guess that it would be far more deadly here than in
Germany. I suspect the same logic applies to other stuff
to some extent.
On Oct 10, 2015 11:05 AM, "Stefan Englhardt"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Countrys with weak gun control have more shot people.
Simple logic in my eyes.
Nothing to say against if the majority of a country
takes this into account. Just strange in
the eyes of a foreign citizen.
In my country you can buy a BMW and drive as fast as
you think it is ok on highways.
this kills, too. Same arguments here. It is the
freedom to drive.
*Von:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *Im Auftrag von *Mike
Hammett
*Gesendet:* Samstag, 10. Oktober 2015 16:47
*An:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings
Except that most mass shootings are done with weapons
that were obtained in circumstances that even the most
strict of control laws would allow. The weapons
painted as being so evil just plain aren't used in
these situations.
Logic doesn't lead you to gun control.
-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*From: *"Darin Steffl" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Saturday, October 10, 2015 8:12:08 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings
I carry a .380 pistol with me most of the time but I
only own three guns myself. I also consider myself to
have many Democratic views when it comes to gun policy
and Republican views with taxes & business aspects.
I personally think it should be MUCH harder to
purchase a firearm than it is. When I purchased my new
glock, I ordered it online at Gander Mountain and
walked into the store, they did a quick background
check and I walked out in 10 minutes. It was great to
me as a consumer and easy. BUT, what if I was angry or
in the heat of the moment and wanted to harm people.
Now that easy gun purchase allowed me to walk out the
same day with a deadly weapon.
I do not think our government is trying to take guns
away as the crazy Republicans like to lie about. I do
think we should have much stricter gun control though
to keep the nutty people from having easy access. All
that is going to do is make it take longer to purchase
a legal firearm, which I am perfectly fine with if it
prevents even one shooting death or mass shooting.
If there's other policies being proposed that can help
limit access to guns, I'm all for it if it still
allows me to purchase a pistol to carry legally and a
shotgun to go hunting. I don't believe I should be
allowed to own a machine gun type weapon for use at my
home. Weapons like that should be allowed only at
shooting ranges and locked up under heavy security.
They do not belong at a residential home anywhere for
sport or home protection.
So anyway, I think there are gun nuts out there that
like to walk around while open carrying and say Obama
is trying to steal all our guns. I think they're crazy
and need a bonk on the head to come to your senses.
Try acting normal and conceal your weapon, don't talk
like a crazy gun nut and try to realize you don't need
a machine gun.
The government's job is to protect as many citizens as
possible. That means more laws, more enforcement, and
more compliance. We can't easily identify and stop all
people who will commit a shooting crime. We can more
easily target guns themselves and prevent the sale of
them to as many "bad" people as possible. For "good"
and legal people who want to buy one, stop complaining
about gun control and embrace it in order to help save
lives. Gun control isn't meant for good people, only
the bad people. You'll still be able to buy any weapon
you "need" in order to hunt or protect your home.
On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 5:48 AM, Gino Villarini
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Freedom is not the exercise to choose whatever you
want. Heck then free all the child molesters!
Human beings need to be controlled, that the whole
reasoning behind laws. Im with Jaime and Stefan on
this.
On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 6:28 AM, Mike Hammett
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
There are many items that kill more humans
than first world guns.
-----
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*From: *"Stefan Englhardt" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Friday, October 9, 2015 11:21:43 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings
Looking at this with a foreign view I can't
understand this "gun love" in US. It is not
all about the criminals or idiots. Just look
at the statistics for accidents with weapons.
The only way to save lifes is to be very
restrictive. If someone wants to shoot he can
go to a shooting club and leave the weapon
there. It is not freedom to have a gun at
home. It is silly esp. with kids around.
You can't avoid killing with banning weapons
but you can reduce it. If I need a weapon I
call for police or security.
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