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----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> To: "af" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 11:04:17 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings I agree with having a test to buy a firearm. But only a competency test for things like operation and safety. A test for things like the purpose for user may be easily abused. Just like a driver's license, if you price yourself untrustworthy, like DWI or in find case, felons, then rights would be restricted. In a free society the main deterrent should be punishment when a person does wrong, not trying to prevent someone from doing wrong by restricting freedom of everyone. Democracy is messy and the desire to prevent anything bad from ever happening is an excessive restriction on freedom. On Sat, Oct 10, 2015, 10:28 AM Mathew Howard < [email protected] > wrote: Yes, the meaning clearly was for militia to be able to defend the state, but it is also pretty clear that they were intended to be able to defend against the government, if necessary. That doesn't work if the government has complete control over who can bear arms. On Oct 10, 2015 10:06 AM, "Jaime Solorza" < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> The 2nd Amendment was based on English version which came earlier and its meaning was for militia to be able to defend state. I don't want to get into a history lesson or political debate. But freedom and individual rights do not and should over ride individual responsibility. Hell we have to take tests to obtain a drivers license...it offers some level of order on the roads. It is too easy for people in USA to but guns. Hunting is one thing...you don't hunt with a hand gun or AK!!! The wackos and lobbyists for NRA and extreme groups will fight tooth and nail any attempt to regulate them citing their rights! What about the right to act responsibly and live in peace. Doesn't portent well for our children.... Jaime Solorza Freedom is not the exercise to choose whatever you want. Heck then free all the child molesters! Human beings need to be controlled, that the whole reasoning behind laws. Im with Jaime and Stefan on this. On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 6:28 AM, Mike Hammett < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> There are many items that kill more humans than first world guns. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Stefan Englhardt" < [email protected] > To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, October 9, 2015 11:21:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings Looking at this with a foreign view I can't understand this "gun love" in US. It is not all about the criminals or idiots. Just look at the statistics for accidents with weapons. The only way to save lifes is to be very restrictive. If someone wants to shoot he can go to a shooting club and leave the weapon there. It is not freedom to have a gun at home. It is silly esp. with kids around. You can't avoid killing with banning weapons but you can reduce it. If I need a weapon I call for police or security. </blockquote> </blockquote>
