But, do you anticipate having to scale at that rate in the next few years? At one job, we host over 14k Exchange 2010 mailboxes on (4) servers (and two of those are idle doing nothing unless the primary boxes or datacenter goes boom). At the WISP, we do ~1000 mailboxes (not Exchange) on two boxes. Yeah, it's a single point of failure, but it's also in a multi-host VMWare cluster.
In my opinion, it's a waste of resources (and headaches) to have 14 servers for a few hundred mailboxes. I would be willing to bet your headaches will get worse if you scale to 1000+ users, maybe not because of your infrastructure, but because of the users themselves. But, hey.. it's your headache, not mine! Josh On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > Primary LDAP, backup LDAP, primary MX, backup MX, two mailstores (before I > knew they wouldn't provide redundancy to each other, to be solved in about > a year with a new version) and a proxy to handle that there's more than one > mailstore. > > That's why I said with the given infrastructure I could handle 10x - 50x > the mailboxes with no appreciable difference in cost other than disk space. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Josh Baird" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Thursday, November 5, 2015 8:59:10 AM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Roundcube > > Seven servers (yes, I know they are VMs), as awesome as Zimbra may be, is > a little ridiculous for a few hundred users. > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have a few hundred mailboxes. >> >> I don't really have much for user support issues. I've had to revoke >> accounts a couple times from users that kept handing out their password >> like it was candy at a parade. No real forgotten password problems. Setup >> just works. Hack attempts are shut down before they even try valid >> credentials. >> >> I'm running a seven server Zimbra cluster. Whenever I can get a little >> bit of time, it'll be geo and network diverse (separate cluster for all but >> mailboxes elsewhere with the mailboxes coming in about a year). It will be >> up to about 14 servers by then. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> http://www.midwest-ix.com >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Thursday, November 5, 2015 8:29:00 AM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Roundcube >> >> How many thousands of users do you have? Running the service is pretty >> cheap. I built my own sendmail+Dovecot system which was really cheap. Then >> I got to a place where I didn't want my time tied up with that so we went >> to Magicmail which was still pretty cheap. Through all of it it was the >> support that was the big dollar sign. If you set expectations differently >> maybe yours would be cheaper. All I know is I spent a lot of user tech >> support time on it. More than anything else by far. Kind of a hidden >> expense but definitely still there. We had, I think, 8000 users on the >> system when we sold. Maybe a couple hundred domains. >> >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 8:11 AM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> What are people doing that's so expensive? I could have 10x - 50x the >>> number of mailboxes as I have and it wouldn't cost me any more than it does >>> now, other than some disks.... which aren't expensive. >>> >>> I guess I would probably move from the community version to the service >>> provider version, but at that point that's under $0.20/mailbox/month. Not >>> really a major expense. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> >>> *To: *[email protected] >>> *Sent: *Thursday, November 5, 2015 8:08:29 AM >>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Roundcube >>> >>> For me it wasn't about difficulty it was about expense. Email, at least >>> how we did it, was a cost center not a profit center. I kept it until I >>> sold and wish I would have ditched it much sooner. It was by far the >>> biggest tech support PITA. >>> >>> I did learn afterward that the longer someone has an email address the >>> more they are willing to pay to keep it. I have been raising he fee we >>> charge to use those old emails. I am now at $250 a year for a single email >>> and I have people begging me not to cut it off. I am still going to, but I >>> think it is interesting since I used to give it away. >>> >>> I guess what I am saying is that if you do not charge a decent amount >>> for it, why do it? The there is the whole minimum volume to be profitable >>> thing that comes into play. I just would not keep doing something that >>> doesn't make money. If it does, more power to you. >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 7:18 AM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> There seems to be two camps. One where people are running away form >>>> their own e-mail servers and then those that embrace it. I haven't found >>>> e-mail to be that difficult to manage. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Chuck Hogg" <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>> *Sent: *Thursday, November 5, 2015 6:01:35 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Roundcube >>>> >>>> >>>> I hope you are charging handsomely for email. We just quit it for our >>>> customer base...and only had 2-3 complaints. Everyone already has an email >>>> address. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:22 AM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Any tips of tricks for success with using Roundcube to provide webmail >>>>> to individual end users (not a single domain corporate environment)? >>>>> >>>>> Server side is postfix + spamassassin + dovecot. >>>>> >>>>> I have a successful 'test' setup of roundcube running in a VM doing >>>>> TLSv1.2 on smtp and imap, logged into several user accounts on test >>>>> domains >>>>> on the dovecot server. >>>>> >>>>> Wondering if anyone has run into hiccups or weird things when using >>>>> roundcube in a production environment. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> > >
