Look up Mail Xstream. I pay them like $5/mo for all of the things that need mailed out. In my case, Powercode automatically "prints" them to their API, so there is 0 effort on a monthly basis.
It's cheaper than her doing them even if you're not paying her. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > Short of first line support, I do the whole show. I write the checks > (well, save the CC info. I don't write checks. Checks suck.) for the > servers and the support contract, upgrade the servers, build the servers, > reached out for blacklist remediation the three times I've been blacklisted > in 15 years of running a mail server, etc. > > Sorry, not everything. My fiance folds, stuffs, stamps and mails the paper > invoices to the customers that still want them. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Thursday, November 5, 2015 10:31:00 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Roundcube > > What I get out of this discussion is that the guy who thinks it is no > trouble or that expensive is not the guy writing the check. No offense, but > I often have a much different view of a reasonable cost for something than > my people do. Sometimes I think it is worth a lot more, sometimes a lot > less. I am sure your system is nice and it sounds like it works great. As > long as it works for you. > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I might not need all 14. I may only need ten, but I'm prepared for 14. >> >> For me it isn't about scale, it's about performance and resiliency. Well, >> not that performance is much of an issue. >> >> I don't really have any e-mail headaches, so I guess I'll take that. >> >> All that's really different between four servers and 14 servers is the >> number of boxes to log into to run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y. >> Well, and every so often I have an extra "wget {URL to new mailserver >> version" and "./install.sh" hitting enter a few times. >> >> >> I also don't expect many WISPs to have geographic and network redundancy >> for their backend. Once complete, everything critical to operations will be >> geo and network redundant. I just got the MariaDB multi-master cluster >> online and will be migrating my RADIUS, authoritative DNS, etc. to run off >> that cluster instead of the local boxes they are now. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> http://www.midwest-ix.com >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Josh Baird" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Thursday, November 5, 2015 9:25:11 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Roundcube >> >> But, do you anticipate having to scale at that rate in the next few >> years? At one job, we host over 14k Exchange 2010 mailboxes on (4) servers >> (and two of those are idle doing nothing unless the primary boxes or >> datacenter goes boom). At the WISP, we do ~1000 mailboxes (not Exchange) >> on two boxes. Yeah, it's a single point of failure, but it's also in a >> multi-host VMWare cluster. >> >> In my opinion, it's a waste of resources (and headaches) to have 14 >> servers for a few hundred mailboxes. I would be willing to bet your >> headaches will get worse if you scale to 1000+ users, maybe not because of >> your infrastructure, but because of the users themselves. >> >> But, hey.. it's your headache, not mine! >> >> Josh >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Primary LDAP, backup LDAP, primary MX, backup MX, two mailstores (before >>> I knew they wouldn't provide redundancy to each other, to be solved in >>> about a year with a new version) and a proxy to handle that there's more >>> than one mailstore. >>> >>> That's why I said with the given infrastructure I could handle 10x - 50x >>> the mailboxes with no appreciable difference in cost other than disk space. >>> >> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> >> >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Josh Baird" <[email protected]> >>> *To: *[email protected] >>> *Sent: *Thursday, November 5, 2015 8:59:10 AM >>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Roundcube >>> >>> Seven servers (yes, I know they are VMs), as awesome as Zimbra may be, >>> is a little ridiculous for a few hundred users. >>> >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> I have a few hundred mailboxes. >>>> >>>> I don't really have much for user support issues. I've had to revoke >>>> accounts a couple times from users that kept handing out their password >>>> like it was candy at a parade. No real forgotten password problems. Setup >>>> just works. Hack attempts are shut down before they even try valid >>>> credentials. >>>> >>>> I'm running a seven server Zimbra cluster. Whenever I can get a little >>>> bit of time, it'll be geo and network diverse (separate cluster for all but >>>> mailboxes elsewhere with the mailboxes coming in about a year). It will be >>>> up to about 14 servers by then. >>>> >>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>> >>> *Sent: *Thursday, November 5, 2015 8:29:00 AM >>>> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Roundcube >>>> >>>> How many thousands of users do you have? Running the service is pretty >>>> cheap. I built my own sendmail+Dovecot system which was really cheap. Then >>>> I got to a place where I didn't want my time tied up with that so we went >>>> to Magicmail which was still pretty cheap. Through all of it it was the >>>> support that was the big dollar sign. If you set expectations differently >>>> maybe yours would be cheaper. All I know is I spent a lot of user tech >>>> support time on it. More than anything else by far. Kind of a hidden >>>> expense but definitely still there. We had, I think, 8000 users on the >>>> system when we sold. Maybe a couple hundred domains. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 8:11 AM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>> What are people doing that's so expensive? I could have 10x - 50x the >>>>> number of mailboxes as I have and it wouldn't cost me any more than it >>>>> does >>>>> now, other than some disks.... which aren't expensive. >>>>> >>>>> I guess I would probably move from the community version to the >>>>> service provider version, but at that point that's under >>>>> $0.20/mailbox/month. Not really a major expense. >>>>> >>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> >>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>> >>>> *Sent: *Thursday, November 5, 2015 8:08:29 AM >>>>> >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Roundcube >>>>> >>>>> For me it wasn't about difficulty it was about expense. Email, at >>>>> least how we did it, was a cost center not a profit center. I kept it >>>>> until >>>>> I sold and wish I would have ditched it much sooner. It was by far the >>>>> biggest tech support PITA. >>>>> >>>>> I did learn afterward that the longer someone has an email address the >>>>> more they are willing to pay to keep it. I have been raising he fee we >>>>> charge to use those old emails. I am now at $250 a year for a single email >>>>> and I have people begging me not to cut it off. I am still going to, but I >>>>> think it is interesting since I used to give it away. >>>>> >>>>> I guess what I am saying is that if you do not charge a decent amount >>>>> for it, why do it? The there is the whole minimum volume to be profitable >>>>> thing that comes into play. I just would not keep doing something that >>>>> doesn't make money. If it does, more power to you. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 7:18 AM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>> There seems to be two camps. One where people are running away form >>>>>> their own e-mail servers and then those that embrace it. I haven't found >>>>>> e-mail to be that difficult to manage. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>> *From: *"Chuck Hogg" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, November 5, 2015 6:01:35 AM >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Roundcube >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope you are charging handsomely for email. We just quit it for >>>>>> our customer base...and only had 2-3 complaints. Everyone already has an >>>>>> email address. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Chuck >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:22 AM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Any tips of tricks for success with using Roundcube to provide >>>>>>> webmail to individual end users (not a single domain corporate >>>>>>> environment)? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Server side is postfix + spamassassin + dovecot. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a successful 'test' setup of roundcube running in a VM doing >>>>>>> TLSv1.2 on smtp and imap, logged into several user accounts on test >>>>>>> domains >>>>>>> on the dovecot server. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wondering if anyone has run into hiccups or weird things when using >>>>>>> roundcube in a production environment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >
