The best line, IMO: "Cattlemen should unite in aiding the enforcement of the law against carrying of deadly weapons."
So basically, he's saying you shouldn't be allowed to carry. However, he wants *you* (average cattleman) to enforce this provision... without carrying. *eyetwitch* Anyway, I think this is an interesting blurb, but I'm going to have to go back and check the sources and the context. I've never heard anything like this before, so it's a bit surprising. On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Patrick Leary <patrick.le...@telrad.com> wrote: > I’ll just note this is a pathetic thread to have in any society that > considers itself civil. Hell, even in the “wild west” the local law had > people check their weapons into the sheriff when they came into town. In > fact, formerly, states like Texas lead the country in banning open carry. > > > > “All the more surprising, then, that Texas was the first state to ban its > citizens from carrying handguns, a restriction that remained on the books > for 125 years.” > http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/texas/article/First-to-ban-open-carry-Texas-could-be-one-of-5974401.php > > > > And just read this scholarly article from 1999: > > > > *Gun Control and the Old West* > By Ross Collins > History News Service <http://www2.h-net.msu.edu/~hns/index.html>, Summer > 1999. > > The smoke has cleared, and we peer down at the victim: another gun control > bill, shot full ‘o holes. Just like in the old horse operas: a hero again > shoots to protect a precious freedom, America’s right to bear arms. For > many who keep a romantic image of America’s past, gun control is like that, > a battle steeped in American tradition. It calls us back to those legendary > days of the Old West, when cowboys defended their honor and their horses by > way of their Colts > . > In fact, most historians see the cowboys of the Old West as THE defining > heroes of 20th-century America. He’s used to sell everything from soap to > hats. He’s apparently also an ideal American for anti-gun control groups: > gun shows and gun advertising promote from a distinctive Old West flavor. > > Today’s anti gun control forces count their strongest support among > society’s leaders from the states that once formed part of the Old West. > The actual Old West pioneers of historical fact viewed matters > differently, however. They would certainly hail the campaign to protect an > American right to bear arms, but the record puts them behind "moderate, > common-sense measures" for gun control—the very kind that President Clinton > has proposed. > > Pioneer publications show Old West leaders repeatedly arguing in favor of > gun control. City leaders in the old cattle towns knew from experience what > some Americans today don't want to believe: a town which allows easy access > to guns invites trouble. > What these cow town leaders saw intimately in their day-to-day association > with guns is that more guns in more places caused not greater safety, but > greater death in an already dangerous wilderness. By the 1880s many in the > west were fed up with gun violence. Gun control, they contended, was > absolutely essential, and the remedy advocated usually was usually no less > than a total ban on pistol-packing. > The editor of the Black Hills Daily Times of Dakota Territory in 1884, > called the idea of carrying firearms into the city a “dangerous practice,” > not only to others, but to the packer himself. He emphasized his point with > the headline, "Perforated by His Own Pistol." > The editor of the Montana’s Yellowstone Journal acknowledged four years > earlier that Americans have "the right to bear arms," but he contended that > guns have to be regulated. As for cowboys carrying pistols, a dispatch from > Laramie’s Northwest Stock Journal in 1884, reported, "We see many cowboys > fitting up for the spring and summer work. They all seem to think it > absolutely necessary to have a revolver. Of all foolish notions this is the > most absurd." > > Cowboy president Theodore Roosevelt recalled with approval that as a > Dakota Territory ranch owner, his town, at the least, allowed "no shooting > in the streets." The editor of that town's newspaper, The Bad Lands Cow Boy > of Medora, demanded that gun control be even tighter than that, however. > Like leaders in Miles City and many other cow towns, he wanted to see guns > banned entirely within the city limits. A.T. Packard in August 1885 called > "packing a gun" a "senseless custom," and noted about a month later that > "As a protection, it is terribly useless.” > > Old West cattlemen themselves also saw the need for gun control. By 1882, > a Texas cattle raising association had banned six-shooters from the > cowboy's belt. "In almost every section of the West murders are on the > increase, and cowmen are too often the principals in the encounters," > concurred a dispatch from the Texas Live Stock Journal dated June 5, 1884. > "The six-shooter loaded with deadly cartridges is a dangerous companion for > any man, especially if he should unfortunately be primed with whiskey. > Cattlemen should unite in aiding the enforcement of the law against > carrying of deadly weapons." > > This echoes President Clinton’s reaction following the failure in Congress > of the most recent gun control proposals: “The American people will not > stand for this.” So far they have, however, as recalled by the record of > defeated attempts to legislate control. As U.S. Rep. Martin Sabo (D.-Minn.) > noted, “there’s broad public support for it, but he opponents are much more > intense about it.” > > The Old West’s leaders who argued for gun control knew that a long time > ago. Their arguments sound as contemporary at the end of this century as > they were earnest at the end of the last. But despite them, few packers > have been persuaded to put away their pistols, then or now. > > Copyright 2004 by Ross F. Collins <www.ndsu.edu/communication/collins> > > Wayne LaPierre sure has done his job well. He’s made most of you fooled > into thinking owning a gun is a patriotic act without you realizing you are > just another tool for raking in the dough. He’s been so successful he’s > converted gun ownership into a religious issue, to point that whether or > not you own a gun is highly predictive of your being an evangelical > Christian. > > > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/is-gun-ownership-christian/2013/01/25/c7afe7fe-6724-11e2-93e1-475791032daf_story.html > > > > Patrick > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum > *Sent:* Monday, December 7, 2015 11:38 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy > and why > > > > I carry a Colt 45 Defender. It is relatively small for a 45. An NSA buddy > of mine, who had been in several close range shootouts in his career asked > me one time why I carry a 45. I told him that I'd never been in a > firefight. I don't train in high pressure situations, and while I'm > proficient at the range, I don't train for situations like he did or the > cops do. If I am in a situation where I have to pull a gun, my adrenaline > is going to be pumping like crazy, and I may be moving to cover or trying > to stay out of the way of bullets myself. I may only hit what I'm shooting > at once if I'm lucky. I want the once to count. > > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:30 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > define legally > > If a bear shits in the woods, will tight shoes cause callouses? > > > > I dont know why any of you want these killing machines, the government has > guns, and we pay them to protect us. Your gun, if you hand it to a bad guy, > is 100% of the time going to be in the bad guys possession, and if that bad > guy happens to be 5, youve just given a child a handgun, are you saying we > should arm children? Why are you trying to kill children, children are the > future, teach them well and let them lead the way. > > > > > > Imperialist scum be furthering decline humanity. Mighty leader will devour > you in fear. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Can you legally own hand grenades? > > > > *From:* Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> > > *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 9:15 AM > > *To:* af <af@afmug.com> > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy > and why > > > > you do if you want to conceal it... :P > > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > You don’t need a CC to carry a Springfield 30-06.... > > > > *From:* Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> > > *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 9:03 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why > > > > I am getting my CC permit (Florida) in a week or so. I took an absolutely > excellent class from the main trainer at the Brevard county sheriff’s > office. > > > > Now, I am looking for an excellent CC gun to use, as my long barrel Colt > 38 is not a good fit for that. > > > > I am certain that this group probably has a LOT of expertise (and many > opinions) on THE gun to use. > > > > J > > > > Paul McCall, Pres. > > PDMNet / Florida Broadband > > 658 Old Dixie Highway > > Vero Beach, FL 32962 > > 772-564-6800 office > > 772-473-0352 cell > > www.pdmnet.com > > pa...@pdmnet.net > > > > > > > > > > -- > > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > >
