Sure he can during his trial.
Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net <http://www.gogebicrange.net/> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 9:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why I heard today on the news a guy was upset that a guy backed over his motorbike and beat a guy to the ground over it . Said guy pulled his gun and shot bike owner three times. Was charged with murder. Guess he couldn't claim self defense.... Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why Date: Mon, Dec 7, 2015 7:40 PM Patrick, Please tell that description to an acquaintance of mine whose concealed carry gun saved his life and the life of his wife and 2 young kids from two thugs who attacked and beat him with a pipe because he “looked at them funny” as they left the grocery store at 8pm. He was able to pull his gun and disable the perps with 3 shots. Tell that to the people who wish they would have had a gun to possibly defend themselves against mass shooters instead of begging for mercy and peeing themselves in the corner. An intelligent, disciplined, gun owner who seeks the proper shoot / don’t shoot training is to be respected for being responsible. If you were in the room with an active shooter and a trained gun owner saved your life, would you call him pathetic ? Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 11:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why I’ll just note this is a pathetic thread to have in any society that considers itself civil. Hell, even in the “wild west” the local law had people check their weapons into the sheriff when they came into town. In fact, formerly, states like Texas lead the country in banning open carry. “All the more surprising, then, that Texas was the first state to ban its citizens from carrying handguns, a restriction that remained on the books for 125 years.” <http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/texas/article/First-to-ban-open-carry-Texas-could-be-one-of-5974401.php> http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/texas/article/First-to-ban-open-carry-Texas-could-be-one-of-5974401.php And just read this scholarly article from 1999: Gun Control and the Old West By Ross Collins <http://www2.h-net.msu.edu/~hns/index.html> History News Service, Summer 1999. The smoke has cleared, and we peer down at the victim: another gun control bill, shot full ‘o holes. Just like in the old horse operas: a hero again shoots to protect a precious freedom, America’s right to bear arms. For many who keep a romantic image of America’s past, gun control is like that, a battle steeped in American tradition. It calls us back to those legendary days of the Old West, when cowboys defended their honor and their horses by way of their Colts . In fact, most historians see the cowboys of the Old West as THE defining heroes of 20th-century America. He’s used to sell everything from soap to hats. He’s apparently also an ideal American for anti-gun control groups: gun shows and gun advertising promote from a distinctive Old West flavor. Today’s anti gun control forces count their strongest support among society’s leaders from the states that once formed part of the Old West. The actual Old West pioneers of historical fact viewed matters differently, however. They would certainly hail the campaign to protect an American right to bear arms, but the record puts them behind "moderate, common-sense measures" for gun control—the very kind that President Clinton has proposed. Pioneer publications show Old West leaders repeatedly arguing in favor of gun control. City leaders in the old cattle towns knew from experience what some Americans today don't want to believe: a town which allows easy access to guns invites trouble. What these cow town leaders saw intimately in their day-to-day association with guns is that more guns in more places caused not greater safety, but greater death in an already dangerous wilderness. By the 1880s many in the west were fed up with gun violence. Gun control, they contended, was absolutely essential, and the remedy advocated usually was usually no less than a total ban on pistol-packing. The editor of the Black Hills Daily Times of Dakota Territory in 1884, called the idea of carrying firearms into the city a “dangerous practice,” not only to others, but to the packer himself. He emphasized his point with the headline, "Perforated by His Own Pistol." The editor of the Montana’s Yellowstone Journal acknowledged four years earlier that Americans have "the right to bear arms," but he contended that guns have to be regulated. As for cowboys carrying pistols, a dispatch from Laramie’s Northwest Stock Journal in 1884, reported, "We see many cowboys fitting up for the spring and summer work. They all seem to think it absolutely necessary to have a revolver. Of all foolish notions this is the most absurd." Cowboy president Theodore Roosevelt recalled with approval that as a Dakota Territory ranch owner, his town, at the least, allowed "no shooting in the streets." The editor of that town's newspaper, The Bad Lands Cow Boy of Medora, demanded that gun control be even tighter than that, however. Like leaders in Miles City and many other cow towns, he wanted to see guns banned entirely within the city limits. A.T. Packard in August 1885 called "packing a gun" a "senseless custom," and noted about a month later that "As a protection, it is terribly useless.” Old West cattlemen themselves also saw the need for gun control. By 1882, a Texas cattle raising association had banned six-shooters from the cowboy's belt. "In almost every section of the West murders are on the increase, and cowmen are too often the principals in the encounters," concurred a dispatch from the Texas Live Stock Journal dated June 5, 1884. "The six-shooter loaded with deadly cartridges is a dangerous companion for any man, especially if he should unfortunately be primed with whiskey. Cattlemen should unite in aiding the enforcement of the law against carrying of deadly weapons." This echoes President Clinton’s reaction following the failure in Congress of the most recent gun control proposals: “The American people will not stand for this.” So far they have, however, as recalled by the record of defeated attempts to legislate control. As U.S. Rep. Martin Sabo (D.-Minn.) noted, “there’s broad public support for it, but he opponents are much more intense about it.” The Old West’s leaders who argued for gun control knew that a long time ago. Their arguments sound as contemporary at the end of this century as they were earnest at the end of the last. But despite them, few packers have been persuaded to put away their pistols, then or now. Copyright 2004 by Ross F. Collins <www.ndsu.edu/communication/collins> Wayne LaPierre sure has done his job well. He’s made most of you fooled into thinking owning a gun is a patriotic act without you realizing you are just another tool for raking in the dough. He’s been so successful he’s converted gun ownership into a religious issue, to point that whether or not you own a gun is highly predictive of your being an evangelical Christian. <https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/is-gun-ownership-christian/2013/01/25/c7afe7fe-6724-11e2-93e1-475791032daf_story.html> https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/is-gun-ownership-christian/2013/01/25/c7afe7fe-6724-11e2-93e1-475791032daf_story.html Patrick From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, December 7, 2015 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why I carry a Colt 45 Defender. It is relatively small for a 45. An NSA buddy of mine, who had been in several close range shootouts in his career asked me one time why I carry a 45. I told him that I'd never been in a firefight. I don't train in high pressure situations, and while I'm proficient at the range, I don't train for situations like he did or the cops do. If I am in a situation where I have to pull a gun, my adrenaline is going to be pumping like crazy, and I may be moving to cover or trying to stay out of the way of bullets myself. I may only hit what I'm shooting at once if I'm lucky. I want the once to count. On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:30 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: define legally If a bear shits in the woods, will tight shoes cause callouses? I dont know why any of you want these killing machines, the government has guns, and we pay them to protect us. Your gun, if you hand it to a bad guy, is 100% of the time going to be in the bad guys possession, and if that bad guy happens to be 5, youve just given a child a handgun, are you saying we should arm children? Why are you trying to kill children, children are the future, teach them well and let them lead the way. Imperialist scum be furthering decline humanity. Mighty leader will devour you in fear. On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: Can you legally own hand grenades? From: Mathew Howard <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 9:15 AM To: af <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why you do if you want to conceal it... :P On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: You don’t need a CC to carry a Springfield 30-06.... From: Paul McCall <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why I am getting my CC permit (Florida) in a week or so. I took an absolutely excellent class from the main trainer at the Brevard county sheriff’s office. Now, I am looking for an excellent CC gun to use, as my long barrel Colt 38 is not a good fit for that. I am certain that this group probably has a LOT of expertise (and many opinions) on THE gun to use. J Paul McCall, Pres. 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