There are something like 27,000 entries in the ipv6 global FIB table right now, and 580,000+ ipv4.
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:14 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < [email protected]> wrote: > Is there an estimation by those "in the know" on consumer adoption of IPv6 > (as in business consumer, not so much the resi, theyll take what they get)? > Not so much even on the inside, their router can handle the 4-6, but as far > as businesses adopting it. when that happens I would guess the value of IP4 > other than as an antiquity would drop to pretty much nothing. > What is the current actual IPv6 adoption percentage across the interwebs? > I just dont see it as a good long term investment beyond a few years to get > on top of the bubble. If Xerox drops 16 million IPs on the market, or any > of the other holders, its chaos. > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The difference will be when we can charge customers differently. Like >> $40/mo for IPv6 only or CG NAT, $50/mo for dual stack IPv4/v6. That also >> requires an easy to understand reason why the customer should care. >> Compare to charging business customers extra for a static vs dynamic IP >> address. >> >> Until you can put a $$$ value on it, it’s just blah blah blah save the >> whales. Money makes the world go round. Or what is the saying, money >> talks, bullshit walks? >> >> >> *From:* Paul Stewart <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 20, 2016 11:05 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great,now Netflix customers are calling ME for >> blocked Netflix >> >> >> One potential way of looking at the cost is per subscriber. So if you >> assume $10 per IP and equate that you need one IP per subscriber then you >> could add $10 to your setup/install fee to recover it. >> >> >> >> Not that IP addresses were free in the first place, just that they cost >> less. >> >> >> >> I would imagine that these costs will really go to much higher numbers at >> some point … the higher the number, the more inclined I think folks will be >> to adopt IPv6 in hopes that we could finally move to IPv6 only in the world >> (yeah, I know it seems like a dream) >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:09 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for >> blocked Netflix >> >> >> >> http://www.ipv4auctions.com/ >> >> >> >> .. is a popular marketplace for IPv4. No, it's not cheap. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Grey market vendors are fine, that's where everybody else is getting >> theirs. $10/ip >> >> On Jan 19, 2016 11:57 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Yeah, I wish I could get IPv4. >> >> >> >> But I can’t. >> >> >> >> ARIN won’t give it to me, this fiber company started in 2013 so there was >> no way to obtain it. >> >> I have IPv6 assigned ARIN space, so I guess I’ll start using that as much >> as possible to avoid crap like this. >> >> I’m sure that comes with its own problems though. >> >> >> >> I can get all the cheap IPv4 I want from this data center. >> >> But the IP space probably originally came from Saudi Arabia or some >> foreign country, lol! >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:14 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for >> blocked Netflix >> >> >> >> Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take >> your correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. From >> Netflix's perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space >> are more likely to contain VPN endpoints. >> >> I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> It may be that. >> >> >> >> I get my IPv4 from a data center. >> >> They are my upstream provider. >> >> The blocks are SWIPed to my company though. >> >> >> >> I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a >> year ago because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the >> same time. >> >> >> >> All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer >> have issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done). >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for >> blocked Netflix >> >> >> >> If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks >> from? That may be part of the story. >> >> >> >> *From:* Sterling Jacobson <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for >> blocked Netflix >> >> >> >> Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy. >> >> >> >> So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN. >> >> >> >> Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me? >> >> Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it. >> >> >> >> I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream >> and details. >> >> >> >> Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working. >> >> >> >> Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN. >> >> I DID that and they denied saying they have no more. >> >> >> >> So I’m stuck without their help. >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *timothy steele >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for >> blocked Netflix >> >> >> >> Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on >> Engadget over a month ago there content providers are forcing them so when >> there telling you nothing they can do to help there telling the truth >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your >> users are having issues watching content >> >> On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Try NANOG? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Anyone else start getting these calls today? >> >> My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work. >> >> But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is >> VPN, Proxy or using an Unblocker. >> >> Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, >> blaming it on the ISP. >> >> I'm sick of this crap. >> >> The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, >> probably with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through >> a datacenter. >> >> I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several >> others. >> >> Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by >> whitelisting my IPs. >> >> Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct >> team of engineers and they fixed it. >> >> On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was, >> "What is a public IP block?" >> >> :( >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >
