The difference will be when we can charge customers differently. Like $40/mo for IPv6 only or CG NAT, $50/mo for dual stack IPv4/v6. That also requires an easy to understand reason why the customer should care. Compare to charging business customers extra for a static vs dynamic IP address.
Until you can put a $$$ value on it, it’s just blah blah blah save the whales. Money makes the world go round. Or what is the saying, money talks, bullshit walks? From: Paul Stewart Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 11:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great,now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix One potential way of looking at the cost is per subscriber. So if you assume $10 per IP and equate that you need one IP per subscriber then you could add $10 to your setup/install fee to recover it. Not that IP addresses were free in the first place, just that they cost less. I would imagine that these costs will really go to much higher numbers at some point … the higher the number, the more inclined I think folks will be to adopt IPv6 in hopes that we could finally move to IPv6 only in the world (yeah, I know it seems like a dream) From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josh Baird Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix http://www.ipv4auctions.com/ .. is a popular marketplace for IPv4. No, it's not cheap. On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: Grey market vendors are fine, that's where everybody else is getting theirs. $10/ip On Jan 19, 2016 11:57 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <[email protected]> wrote: Yeah, I wish I could get IPv4. But I can’t. ARIN won’t give it to me, this fiber company started in 2013 so there was no way to obtain it. I have IPv6 assigned ARIN space, so I guess I’ll start using that as much as possible to avoid crap like this. I’m sure that comes with its own problems though. I can get all the cheap IPv4 I want from this data center. But the IP space probably originally came from Saudi Arabia or some foreign country, lol! From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take your correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. >From Netflix's perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space are more likely to contain VPN endpoints. I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows. On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson <[email protected]> wrote: It may be that. I get my IPv4 from a data center. They are my upstream provider. The blocks are SWIPed to my company though. I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a year ago because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the same time. All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer have issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done). From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks from? That may be part of the story. From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy. So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN. Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me? Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it. I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and details. Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working. Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN. I DID that and they denied saying they have no more. So I’m stuck without their help. From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of timothy steele Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget over a month ago there content providers are forcing them so when there telling you nothing they can do to help there telling the truth On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your users are having issues watching content On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> wrote: Try NANOG? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <[email protected]> wrote: Anyone else start getting these calls today? My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work. But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is VPN, Proxy or using an Unblocker. Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, blaming it on the ISP. I'm sick of this crap. The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, probably with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through a datacenter. I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several others. Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by whitelisting my IPs. Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct team of engineers and they fixed it. On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was, "What is a public IP block?" :(
