Is there an estimation by those "in the know" on consumer adoption of IPv6 (as in business consumer, not so much the resi, theyll take what they get)? Not so much even on the inside, their router can handle the 4-6, but as far as businesses adopting it. when that happens I would guess the value of IP4 other than as an antiquity would drop to pretty much nothing. What is the current actual IPv6 adoption percentage across the interwebs? I just dont see it as a good long term investment beyond a few years to get on top of the bubble. If Xerox drops 16 million IPs on the market, or any of the other holders, its chaos.
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > The difference will be when we can charge customers differently. Like > $40/mo for IPv6 only or CG NAT, $50/mo for dual stack IPv4/v6. That also > requires an easy to understand reason why the customer should care. > Compare to charging business customers extra for a static vs dynamic IP > address. > > Until you can put a $$$ value on it, it’s just blah blah blah save the > whales. Money makes the world go round. Or what is the saying, money > talks, bullshit walks? > > > *From:* Paul Stewart <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 20, 2016 11:05 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great,now Netflix customers are calling ME for > blocked Netflix > > > One potential way of looking at the cost is per subscriber. So if you > assume $10 per IP and equate that you need one IP per subscriber then you > could add $10 to your setup/install fee to recover it. > > > > Not that IP addresses were free in the first place, just that they cost > less. > > > > I would imagine that these costs will really go to much higher numbers at > some point … the higher the number, the more inclined I think folks will be > to adopt IPv6 in hopes that we could finally move to IPv6 only in the world > (yeah, I know it seems like a dream) > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:09 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for > blocked Netflix > > > > http://www.ipv4auctions.com/ > > > > .. is a popular marketplace for IPv4. No, it's not cheap. > > > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Grey market vendors are fine, that's where everybody else is getting > theirs. $10/ip > > On Jan 19, 2016 11:57 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Yeah, I wish I could get IPv4. > > > > But I can’t. > > > > ARIN won’t give it to me, this fiber company started in 2013 so there was > no way to obtain it. > > I have IPv6 assigned ARIN space, so I guess I’ll start using that as much > as possible to avoid crap like this. > > I’m sure that comes with its own problems though. > > > > I can get all the cheap IPv4 I want from this data center. > > But the IP space probably originally came from Saudi Arabia or some > foreign country, lol! > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:14 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for > blocked Netflix > > > > Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take > your correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. From > Netflix's perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space > are more likely to contain VPN endpoints. > > I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows. > > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > It may be that. > > > > I get my IPv4 from a data center. > > They are my upstream provider. > > The blocks are SWIPed to my company though. > > > > I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a year > ago because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the same > time. > > > > All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer > have issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done). > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for > blocked Netflix > > > > If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks > from? That may be part of the story. > > > > *From:* Sterling Jacobson <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for > blocked Netflix > > > > Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy. > > > > So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN. > > > > Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me? > > Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it. > > > > I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and > details. > > > > Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working. > > > > Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN. > > I DID that and they denied saying they have no more. > > > > So I’m stuck without their help. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *timothy steele > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for > blocked Netflix > > > > Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget > over a month ago there content providers are forcing them so when there > telling you nothing they can do to help there telling the truth > > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: > > Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your > users are having issues watching content > > On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Try NANOG? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Anyone else start getting these calls today? > > My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work. > > But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is > VPN, Proxy or using an Unblocker. > > Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, > blaming it on the ISP. > > I'm sick of this crap. > > The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, > probably with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through > a datacenter. > > I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several > others. > > Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by > whitelisting my IPs. > > Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct team > of engineers and they fixed it. > > On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was, > "What is a public IP block?" > > :( > > > > > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
