The difference will be when we can charge customers differently. Like
$40/mo for IPv6 only or CG NAT, $50/mo for dual stack IPv4/v6. That also
requires an easy to understand reason why the customer should care.
Compare
to charging business customers extra for a static vs dynamic IP address.
Until you can put a $$$ value on it, it’s just blah blah blah save the
whales. Money makes the world go round. Or what is the saying, money
talks, bullshit walks?
From: Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 11:05 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great,now Netflix customers are calling ME for
blocked Netflix
One potential way of looking at the cost is per subscriber. So if you
assume $10 per IP and equate that you need one IP per subscriber then you
could add $10 to your setup/install fee to recover it.
Not that IP addresses were free in the first place, just that they cost
less.
I would imagine that these costs will really go to much higher numbers at
some point … the higher the number, the more inclined I think folks will
be
to adopt IPv6 in hopes that we could finally move to IPv6 only in the
world
(yeah, I know it seems like a dream)
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:09 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
blocked Netflix
http://www.ipv4auctions.com/
.. is a popular marketplace for IPv4. No, it's not cheap.
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]>
wrote:
Grey market vendors are fine, that's where everybody else is getting
theirs. $10/ip
On Jan 19, 2016 11:57 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Yeah, I wish I could get IPv4.
But I can’t.
ARIN won’t give it to me, this fiber company started in 2013 so there was
no way to obtain it.
I have IPv6 assigned ARIN space, so I guess I’ll start using that as much
as possible to avoid crap like this.
I’m sure that comes with its own problems though.
I can get all the cheap IPv4 I want from this data center.
But the IP space probably originally came from Saudi Arabia or some
foreign country, lol!
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
blocked Netflix
Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take
your correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. From
Netflix's perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo
space
are more likely to contain VPN endpoints.
I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows.
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson <[email protected]>
wrote:
It may be that.
I get my IPv4 from a data center.
They are my upstream provider.
The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.
I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a
year
ago because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the
same
time.
All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer
have issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
blocked Netflix
If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks
from?
That may be part of the story.
From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
blocked Netflix
Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.
So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.
Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?
Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.
I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream
and
details.
Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.
Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.
I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.
So I’m stuck without their help.
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for
blocked Netflix
Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on
Engadget
over a month ago there content providers are forcing them so when there
telling you nothing they can do to help there telling the truth
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote:
Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your
users are having issues watching content
On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Try NANOG?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Anyone else start getting these calls today?
My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.
But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is
VPN, Proxy or using an Unblocker.
Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers,
blaming it on the ISP.
I'm sick of this crap.
The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another,
probably with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going
through a
datacenter.
I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several
others.
Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by
whitelisting my IPs.
Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct
team
of engineers and they fixed it.
On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was,
"What is a public IP block?"
:(
