Ehhhh.... I am aware of quite a few networks that are large (continental, transcontinental) that run just fine without MPLS. I also just read about a very interesting large scale (500,000 node) SPB + SDN deployment that was very cool.
"The Data center" , often with hundreds of thousands of nodes also seems "to work okay" without MPLS (although vxlan is an atrocity). On Feb 6, 2016 6:10 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't understand why anybody would buy a 'router' (whether vyatta/x86 > based or not) that has FIB/TCAM space for full routes, but isn't capable of > MPLS... > > MPLS in its various forms is invaluable for traffic engineering. Even > basic stuff like creating a cross connect from a VLAN containing a few open > wifi APs at site A, for example a coffee shop in a big MDU, to your > firewall/captive portal (pfsense, whatever) in a datacenter at site B. > > > > On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 8:30 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Brocades offering is basically vyatta with some upgrades / tweaks and a >> massive performance increase with DPDK. Add in a few Chelsio T5 10Gbps or >> 40Gbps ports and it might be a hell of a platform, as long as you don't >> need mpls. Juniper vMX does has mpls/vpls support. >> On Feb 6, 2016 10:24 AM, "Josh Baird" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I looked at vMX months ago. It was far from 'production-ready' in my >>> opinion, although I think it's finally starting to mature a little bit. >>> Lack of hypervisor options (no ESX at the time), crappy documentation, and >>> a general lack of knowledge on the product it's self from Juniper made me >>> quickly change my mind. The seems to be the general consensus with the >>> community as well. Cisco's CSR seems to be a much more mature product at >>> this point. I don't know anything about Brocade's offering. >>> >>> For what it's worth, we went with MX104 instead. >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I may be looking at some juniper vMX and Brocade vrouter for other >>>> projects in the near future for low/intermediate routing (10+ Gbps). Both >>>> use Intel DPDK, similar CLI. >>>> Most of us aren't buying MX960s. ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>> *Sent: *Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:43:16 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 10G router(s) with redundancy? >>>> >>>> I agree, but that can get very expensive. >>>> On Feb 6, 2016 9:42 AM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The best form of redundancy is two separate units with no dependency >>>>> on each other. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"TJ Trout" <[email protected]> >>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>> *Sent: *Friday, February 5, 2016 5:38:40 PM >>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 10G router(s) with redundancy? >>>>> >>>>> What are some options for 10G capable routers that won't break the >>>>> bank that have 3+ 10G ports? Was planning two ccr1072 with ibgp but maybe >>>>> I >>>>> should be considering something else ? >>>>> >>>>> Also what are some models of 10G switches (sfp+) that have 4+ ports? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >
