That's not at all what I said. I said they're not running MPLS. For all either of us know, maybe some are running vyatta.
I have seen some brocade vyatta hardware @ 1102 Grand :) On Feb 6, 2016 6:31 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't think any American continental-scale ASes out there with POPs on > both coasts, central locations (Chicago, KC, etc) are running on Vyatta. > > On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Ehhhh.... >> >> I am aware of quite a few networks that are large (continental, >> transcontinental) that run just fine without MPLS. I also just read about a >> very interesting large scale (500,000 node) SPB + SDN deployment that was >> very cool. >> >> "The Data center" , often with hundreds of thousands of nodes also seems >> "to work okay" without MPLS (although vxlan is an atrocity). >> On Feb 6, 2016 6:10 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I don't understand why anybody would buy a 'router' (whether vyatta/x86 >>> based or not) that has FIB/TCAM space for full routes, but isn't capable of >>> MPLS... >>> >>> MPLS in its various forms is invaluable for traffic engineering. Even >>> basic stuff like creating a cross connect from a VLAN containing a few open >>> wifi APs at site A, for example a coffee shop in a big MDU, to your >>> firewall/captive portal (pfsense, whatever) in a datacenter at site B. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 8:30 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Brocades offering is basically vyatta with some upgrades / tweaks and a >>>> massive performance increase with DPDK. Add in a few Chelsio T5 10Gbps or >>>> 40Gbps ports and it might be a hell of a platform, as long as you don't >>>> need mpls. Juniper vMX does has mpls/vpls support. >>>> On Feb 6, 2016 10:24 AM, "Josh Baird" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I looked at vMX months ago. It was far from 'production-ready' in my >>>>> opinion, although I think it's finally starting to mature a little bit. >>>>> Lack of hypervisor options (no ESX at the time), crappy documentation, and >>>>> a general lack of knowledge on the product it's self from Juniper made me >>>>> quickly change my mind. The seems to be the general consensus with the >>>>> community as well. Cisco's CSR seems to be a much more mature product at >>>>> this point. I don't know anything about Brocade's offering. >>>>> >>>>> For what it's worth, we went with MX104 instead. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I may be looking at some juniper vMX and Brocade vrouter for other >>>>>> projects in the near future for low/intermediate routing (10+ Gbps). Both >>>>>> use Intel DPDK, similar CLI. >>>>>> Most of us aren't buying MX960s. ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:43:16 AM >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 10G router(s) with redundancy? >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree, but that can get very expensive. >>>>>> On Feb 6, 2016 9:42 AM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The best form of redundancy is two separate units with no dependency >>>>>>> on each other. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From: *"TJ Trout" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, February 5, 2016 5:38:40 PM >>>>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 10G router(s) with redundancy? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What are some options for 10G capable routers that won't break the >>>>>>> bank that have 3+ 10G ports? Was planning two ccr1072 with ibgp but >>>>>>> maybe I >>>>>>> should be considering something else ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also what are some models of 10G switches (sfp+) that have 4+ ports? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >
