This whole discussion will become historical when Verizon turns on WiFi calling.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/11/2016 6:41 AM, Daniel White wrote:

For that price you can purchase a cell booster that stays off your network altogether and will help with any cell carrier in range.

Thank you,

Daniel White

[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>__

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84>: Twitter <https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84>

*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:43 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

It's $250 new :P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?


    bp

    <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

    On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

        Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of
        feet. It is much easier to run, less prone to damage, and
        equivalent in loss per frequency range.

        On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
        wrote:

            Andrew 1/2  Heliax

            On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman"
            <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind
                of cable that was?  I'm assuming anything that will
                handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?


                Josh Luthman
                Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
                Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
                1100 Wayne St
                Suite 1337
                Troy, OH 45373

                On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch
                <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
                wrote:

                    Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took
an SMB <-> N Connector and ran LMR to the roof. Hope that helps.

                    *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support**
                    *Plexicomm - Internet Solutions |
                    www.plexicomm.net <http://www.plexicomm.net>*
                    *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109
                    <tel:1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
                    <tel:1.866.852.4688>**

                    *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
                    <tel:1.866.759.9713> | [email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>*

                    ------ Original Message ------

                    From: "TJ Trout" <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>>

                    To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

                    Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM

                    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

                        It's an SMB connector, but again I find it
                        really had to believe that if you stick it
                        outside until you get a good sync and power it
                        down that it won't resync indoors, I've never
                        tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
                        normal houses and offices with tile and metal
                        roofs I've never had one issue.

                        On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince
                        <[email protected]
                        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                            Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is
                            it was ~~ 1/4" or so in diameter. Don't
                            quote me on that. I am disavowing all
                            knowledge.


                            bp

                            <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

                            On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

                                MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?

                                Josh Luthman
                                Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
                                Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
                                1100 Wayne St
                                Suite 1337
                                Troy, OH 45373

                                On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"
                                <[email protected]
                                <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                                    The Verizon cell extender (made by
                                    Samsung) has a little connector
                                    (don't recall the type, but it's
                                    about the size of MCM or so). Put
                                    a wire on the end of the coax, and
                                    you're there.

                                    bp

                                    <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

                                    On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman
                                    wrote:

                                        How did you get a GPS antenna
                                        from the roof to the SCS box?


                                        Josh Luthman
                                        Office: 937-552-2340
                                        <tel:937-552-2340>
                                        Direct: 937-552-2343
                                        <tel:937-552-2343>
                                        1100 Wayne St
                                        Suite 1337
                                        Troy, OH 45373

                                        On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28
                                        PM, samuel
                                        <[email protected]
                                        <mailto:[email protected]>>
                                        wrote:

                                            Verizon's Samsung SCS
                                            series 3G and 4G Network
                                            Extender is what I was
                                            dealing with. We had to
                                            run our own GPS antenna
                                            from the roof down to the
                                            basement to get the damn
                                            thing to sync properly.

                                            As an aside, I didn't
                                            realize the Low E windows
                                            were code now, and this is
                                            a very newly renovated
                                            building. Will keep that
                                            in mind!

                                            -- Sam Kirsch, Network
                                            Tech Support
                                            Plexicomm Internet Solutions
                                            Office: 1.866.759.4678
                                            x109
                                            <tel:1.866.759.4678%20x109> |
                                            Fax: 1.866.852.4688
                                            <tel:1.866.852.4688>

                                            [email protected]
                                            <mailto:[email protected]> |
                                            Emergency Support:
                                            1.866.759.9713
                                            <tel:1.866.759.9713>

                                                
------------------------------------------------------------------------

                                                -----Original Message-----
                                                From: "Jaime Solorza"
                                                <[email protected]
                                                
<mailto:[email protected]>>
                                                To: "Animal Farm"
                                                <[email protected]
                                                <mailto:[email protected]>>
                                                Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
                                                Subject: Re: [AFMUG]
                                                Verizon "network extender"

                                                cell booster or gps
                                                booster?


                                                Jaime Solorza

                                                Wireless Systems Architect

                                                915-861-1390
                                                <tel:915-861-1390>

                                                On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at
                                                8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch
                                                <[email protected]
                                                <mailto:[email protected]>>
                                                wrote:

                                                    Pull out a GPS App
                                                    on your phone and
                                                    make sure you can
                                                    actually read the
                                                    satellites from
                                                    behind the window
                                                    (I used 'GPS Test'
                                                    on Android). We
                                                    had to install one
                                                    of these boosters
                                                    and were
                                                    troubleshooting
                                                    why the damn thing
                                                    wasn't working
                                                    when I noticed
                                                    that my phone GPS
                                                    receiver was
                                                    working in rooms
                                                    where the windows
                                                    were open and not
                                                    working in rooms
                                                    where the windows
                                                    were closed.
                                                    Building
                                                    management didn't
                                                    even know they'd
                                                    purchased the
                                                    windows with RF film.

                                                    *-- Samuel Kirsch,
                                                    Network Support**
                                                    *Plexicomm -
                                                    Internet Solutions
                                                    |
                                                    www.plexicomm.net
                                                    <http://www.plexicomm.net>*
                                                    *Office:
                                                    1.866.759.4678
                                                    x109 | Fax:
                                                    1.866.852.4688**

                                                    *Emergency
                                                    Support:
                                                    1.866.759.9713 |
                                                    [email protected]
                                                    
<mailto:[email protected]>*

                                                    ------ Original
                                                    Message ------

                                                    From: "Adam
                                                    Moffett"
                                                    <[email protected]
                                                    
<mailto:[email protected]>>

                                                    To: [email protected]
                                                    <mailto:[email protected]>

                                                    Sent: 2/9/2016
                                                    9:50:42 AM

                                                    Subject: Re:
                                                    [AFMUG] Verizon
                                                    "network extender"

                                                        It might not
                                                        be just a
                                                        matter of
                                                        getting the
                                                        location. If
                                                        they use the
                                                        1pps clock
                                                        from GPS to
                                                        calibrate an
                                                        oscillator
                                                        before they
                                                        start
                                                        transmitting,
                                                        then it would
                                                        legitimately
                                                        take 20-30
                                                        minutes.

                                                        Telrad BTS's
                                                        are like that
                                                        too. Pisses me
                                                        off if I ever
                                                        have to reset
                                                        the power.

                                                        On 2/9/2016
                                                        12:12 AM,
                                                        Jason McKemie
                                                        wrote:

                                                            For
                                                            whatever
                                                            reason,
                                                            the
                                                            receivers
                                                            that they
                                                            use in
                                                            some of
                                                            these
                                                            don't seem
                                                            to be
                                                            "modern"
                                                            at all.
                                                            They
                                                            frequently
                                                            take an
                                                            excessively long
                                                            time to
                                                            get a lock.

                                                            On Monday,
                                                            February
                                                            8, 2016,
                                                            Eric
                                                            Kuhnke
                                                            
<[email protected]
                                                            
<mailto:[email protected]>>
                                                            wrote:

                                                                Modern
                                                                GPS
                                                                receivers
                                                                work
                                                                surprisingly
                                                                well,
                                                                if not
                                                                very
                                                                accurately,
                                                                from
                                                                inside
                                                                a
                                                                single
                                                                floor
                                                                wood
                                                                framed
                                                                house...
                                                                My
                                                                oneplus one
                                                                will
                                                                pick
                                                                up 6
                                                                satellites
                                                                while
                                                                standing
                                                                in a
                                                                central hallway
                                                                15'+
                                                                from
                                                                any
                                                                window. Should
                                                                be
                                                                accurate
                                                                enough
                                                                to get
                                                                a
                                                                location
                                                                within
                                                                75'.

                                                                All
                                                                bets
                                                                are
                                                                off if
                                                                it is
                                                                a
                                                                concrete
                                                                framed
                                                                apartment
                                                                building
                                                                or
                                                                something
                                                                like that.

                                                                I
                                                                still
                                                                find
                                                                it
                                                                amazing that
                                                                anything
                                                                works
                                                                at
                                                                -162
                                                                RSL.
                                                                Thanks
                                                                to
                                                                tiny
                                                                channel size
                                                                and
                                                                very
                                                                basic
                                                                modulation.

                                                                 On
                                                                Feb 8,
                                                                2016
                                                                6:46
                                                                PM,
                                                                "Bill
                                                                Prince" 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>
                                                                wrote:

                                                                     Canopy
                                                                    NAT seems
                                                                    to
                                                                    break
                                                                    it
                                                                    with
                                                                    regularity.
                                                                    It
                                                                    might
                                                                    also
                                                                    fail
                                                                    if
                                                                    the GPS
                                                                    location
                                                                    that
                                                                    it
                                                                    reports
                                                                    is
                                                                    not within
                                                                    a
                                                                    1/4 mile
                                                                    of
                                                                    where
                                                                    the customer
                                                                    address
                                                                    is.

                                                                    Also
                                                                    requires
                                                                    enough
                                                                    GPS (like
                                                                    near
                                                                    a
                                                                    window)
                                                                    to
                                                                    get a
                                                                    GPS lock.


                                                                    bp

                                                                    
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


                                                                    On
                                                                    2/8/2016
                                                                    3:34
                                                                    PM, Ken
                                                                    Hohhof
                                                                    wrote:

                                                                        What
                                                                        are
                                                                        the
                                                                        typical
                                                                        reasons
                                                                        for
                                                                        these
                                                                        not
                                                                        to
                                                                        work?�
                                                                        From
                                                                        the
                                                                        user
                                                                        guide
                                                                        it
                                                                        appears
                                                                        to
                                                                        use
                                                                        IPSEC,
                                                                        so
                                                                        I assume
                                                                        anything
                                                                        that
                                                                        prevents
                                                                        a VPN?

                                                                        �

                                                                        Verizon
                                                                        support
                                                                        told
                                                                        the
                                                                        customer
                                                                        they
                                                                        needed
                                                                        a Class
                                                                        A 
address.�
                                                                        WTF?�
                                                                        Did
                                                                        they
                                                                        maybe
                                                                        mean
                                                                        it
                                                                        _can't_
                                                                        be
                                                                        a class
                                                                        A 
address?�
                                                                        Customer
                                                                        uses
                                                                        10.x.x.x
                                                                        
addresses
                                                                        
internally,
                                                                        behind
                                                                        Cisco
                                                                        ASA
                                                                        firewall
                                                                        (which
                                                                        I don't
                                                                        manage).

                                                                        �

                                                                        I do
                                                                        see
                                                                        some
                                                                        udp/500
                                                                        and
                                                                        udp/4500
                                                                        packets,
                                                                        I think
                                                                        that
                                                                        means
                                                                        
something
                                                                        is
                                                                        using
                                                                        UDP
                                                                        for
                                                                        IPSEC
                                                                        NAT
                                                                        
traversal?




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