Is the 450d radome included or optional? I thought it was optional.
We've already began the process of replacing the Force110's with
Force200 PTP links. Just connectorized radios, not GPS. And now with the
Force200's, there's no possibility of sync. Would've been nice to leave
the 110's, swap to GPS radios and added the 450d radome kit. I think
that's what Brandon is after.
On 2/24/2016 11:58 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
This all comes down to packaging and shipping…
We might be able to set up and sell just the radome, but it’s big and
takes up a lot of space in a box. You will probably not like the
price we’d have to charge.
Have any of them broken?
Also, with respect to using them with Force products, I will check
with engineering on possible gotchas. I have never considered this.
After investigation, would you guys mind if I reach out to you (George
and Brandon) to discuss potential pricing, quantities and feasibility?
Matt
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 24, 2016 11:52 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance
Yeah, that's dumb. So we can't even order replacements if they break?
OK, maybe we just won't buy any 450d at all. I hope they are listening.
On 2/24/2016 7:10 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:
Cambium does not have a part number assigned to the radome w/ sub
reflector. So no distributors can purchase them and sell them to
us. I agree its seems silly not to sell them but that’s what the
sales reps are getting from Cambium and as I mentioned then didn’t
return my calls or emails asking about it. I am generally a fan of
Cambiums processes and products but this whole think left a bad
taste in my mouth.
Best regards,
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net
www.gogebicrange.net <http://www.gogebicrange.net>
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 10:43 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance
Seriously, no reseller will sell you just the 450d radome w/ the
sub-reflector? I don't understand why Cambium would be hard assed
about selling just the 450d radome kit. Refusing to sell something
they make seems pretty stupid. The sub-reflector is just the front
of the 110 wire suspended kit and snaps into the front of the
radome, as I'm sure you're aware. If you wanted, you could rip off
the suspenders. I've accidentally broken a few.
We haven't bought any 450d's yet. The antenna gain is calculated
incorrectly, so the DFS band Tx power is like 10dB low, which
means no worky for me. We're doing a lot of 5.4GHz now and we're
not going to run the 14.1.2 beta builds in mass. So yeah, I'm just
not going there yet.
We haven't done any PTP links without radomes for the past several
years. It just makes sense. Not only for wind loading, but ice and
heavy wet snow, which we're about to get here tomorrow damnit!
On 2/23/2016 9:03 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:
Yep you guys hit the nail on the head. It’s the radome for us.
I just cant risk another drop due to ice / snow packing in a
dish. I tried to drum up enough interest in Chucks condom but
not enough jumped on board. I didn’t even get a response from
Cambium when I asked about the 450d radomes becoming
available. Although we did confirm they would fit / work.
Kind of pissed me off since I was told a year ago at animal
farm they would have one for the 110. Now they have it but
won’t sell it.
I don’t mind having redundant links in place. Its been the
plan since we started putting up the 110’s. When it became
obvious that they were not going to give us radomes we backed
off the install schedule for the second links. So now we have
to deploy the 200’s to get the radomes but have to give up
GPS. I should have just deployed the microtik dishes with Eptp
and radomes to start. That was the plan before I was told the
force 110 would have them.
Best regards
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net
www.gogebicrange.net <http://www.gogebicrange.net>
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh
Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 8:41 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance
Wouldn't it be way cheaper and easier to use Chuck's condom
radome?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 23, 2016 9:38 PM, "George Skorup" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
We've been putting radomes on ALL of the Force200's.
Would be nice if they could come up with a sync-over-power
variant of the 200.
..... or let us order the 450d radome w/ sub-reflector
element. The Force110 and 450d is the same reflector.. and feed.
Just sayin.
On 2/23/2016 8:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Why go through the effort of replacing them?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 23, 2016 9:31 PM, "Brandon Yuchasz"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Not exactly what you are asking but we have done a lot of
10 to 12 mile links with the stock force 110 and got full
modulation. I have not put up the force 200 yet but plan
to start replacing all the force 110 links with them as
soon as the weather warms a bit. The old 110s will become
backup links.
Best regards,
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net
www.gogebicrange.net <http://www.gogebicrange.net>
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Joseph Marsh
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 5:32 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance
Thanks for the info Mathew ... I don't like more than 10
miles. But was curious at 20
On Feb 23, 2016 5:28 PM, "Mathew Howard"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yeah - 40 miles appears to be the max for ePMP.
Realistically, it *should* be possible to get full
modulation at 8 miles with Force 200's, but at 20 miles,
you're going to want bigger dishes.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 5:24 PM, Chuck McCown
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
As a non smart-ass answer, there are probably some timing
constraints that will limit the distance before the RF
will, assuming LOS.
*From:*Chuck McCown <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:47 PM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance
I think earth curvature will probably be the limiting factor.
*From:*Joseph Marsh <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:45 PM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*[AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance
What is the max distance for a force 200 Ptp link?
