Funny thing about labels and such...my two friends who call me a liberal and hippy, which I am not, gave up trying to get me to their bible studies....They would invite and I would ask which bible are we studying? Who is the expert on theology in your group? Can I bring my copy of Asimov's Guide to the Bible and my book of Enoch? They called me a heretic ....they thew a jab....i ducked and counter with a hard left...."yes you can call me whatever but I have never cheated on my wife. Present or ex-one i divorced in 1990. Both of you did according to your wives telling mine!" They stopped inviting this anti-abortion, faithful God fearing, non smoker or drug taker, loyal husband, father and grandfather, beer drinking never been a hippie but played on eon TV..dude!!!
Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > I find it interesting that Rory says I’m a “liberal”, I’m not sure how he > defines that or how he would know, other than I disagreed with him on > something. > > Actually I could be described as a Goldwater conservative, I was too young > to vote, but literally had an AuH20 sticker on my bike and read every > word of Conscience of a Conservative. I grew up during the Eisenhower > years. I voted for Reagan and the first Bush. I was 18 in 1968, had a > high enough number in the draft I didn’t get sent to Vietnam, but wasn’t a > hippie radical. Unlike Bernie Sanders, I didn’t even smoke pot (consumed a > lot of alcohol though). > > The 1968 election season was pretty crazy. I actually supported Reagan in > campus rallies, that was his unsuccessful first bid, unfortunately we got > Tricky Dick and Spiro Agnew. I remember Richard J. Daley’s thugs cracking > heads in the streets outside the Democratic Convention. That had nothing > to do with ideology, Daley could care less about Vietnam war protesters, it > was about raw political power and no one was going to make him look bad > when his party held a convention in his city. Oops, he ended up looking > bad anyway. > > If I’m not a liberal, what other preconceived notions could be wrong? Oh > no, maybe I’m black, or Hispanic, or Muslim! Maybe I’m a black Hispanic > gay Muslim! > > Actually, I believe most people are both conservative and progressive. > Progress is good, but don’t fix what ain’t broke. > > > *From:* Glen Waldrop <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:18 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > Wow. > > Way to gang up guys. > > I have to agree with Rory here. Black Lives Matter has all but become the > mirror image of the KKK. Sure, some of them are doing it for the right > reasons, but like environmentalists, feminists and dozens of other –ists > the wackos have hijacked what could have been something powerful, something > good, and gone *way* over the line. > > One common thing among those groups are the very vocal fringe left. > > I’m sitting here in the middle watching both sides go completely apeshit > crazy. > > Can no one sit back and look at the big picture? > > Are we so divided that logic has completely left the discussion? It > certainly seems that way and not just on the list. > > > > *From:* Bill Prince <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:02 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and > liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. > > For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the > same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > > You know what Ken, let’s do this. > > > > You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone > is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business > partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me > racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an > excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the > pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t > understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply > don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can > define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t > want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and > failures. > > > > What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not > assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You > would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see > the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support > system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for > failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so > be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand > by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual > honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling > apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders > sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our > heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors > this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who > died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture > in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing, > then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and > separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that > color is used as an excuse. > > > > The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire > generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering > outside this country because they can’t find enough engineering talent > within our own borders because our culture and education failed an entire > generation. And as for Obama, his policies have escalated this problem, > including unemployment, a poor economy, lower standards of living, hatred > of police and authority, and racial division and escalation. So if you are > big supporter of him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there. You > want the truth, that’s it. So bring it on Ken. I’ll back my conclusions > with the facts from the Census bureau, the FBI, the U.S Department of the > Interior, the U.S. Bureau of Labor, and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but > those facts won’t matter will they? > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:25 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call your out for > it. Why is that over the line? You have made some pretty inflammatory > statements, but it seems you can’t take any criticism? > > > > We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always notice is we are > not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white men. That leads to the belief > that prejudice is OK because everyone here thinks that way too. > > > > > > *From:* Rory Conaway <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > That’s out of line Ken, at any level. What matters to me is that the > violence fostered by ignorant people in our society who don’t contribute, > but foster racial hatred and disdain for the Constitution, the Laws of this > country, and want special treatment. I don’t give a crap what color they > are but they keep bringing it up. Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc… > The rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s liberals that > won’t let race go because they need it to stay in power. > > > > You want to attack me for my beliefs Ken, that’s fine. You want to call > me a racist, what I really want to tell you will get me banned. I’m done > with this and Ken, please don’t ever speak to me again. You went too far. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:17 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Black people really seem to set you off. > > > > *From:* Rory Conaway <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives > Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun > fire. I really doubt the Trump supporters are doing that. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an > Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of > our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. > > > > It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right > are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to > accept bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that > person can do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... > > > > I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a > polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries > turn into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, > and to see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. > > > > Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not > bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully > responsible for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff.... > watch closely the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to > be an steadily increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad > behavior.... (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks > hitting and throwing punches at the person being lead out....).. and Mr > Trump constantly refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. > > > > While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of > us who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of > behavior and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results > were not very good for anyone.... As such their is rising concern. > > > > The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control.... > historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the > bottle, no one has been able to control it ..... > > > > > > :) > > > > > > Regards > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: <[email protected]> > [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Rory Conaway" < <[email protected]>[email protected]> > *To: * <[email protected]>[email protected] > *Sent: *Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as > a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump > is saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like > Facebook. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [ <[email protected]>mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > > Fault? Its human nature....you push me and I push back...most fights > start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has > asked him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to > old days....what civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to > the older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia > was one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to > murder of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my > ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes > open a bit more. I normally stay quiet on politics but not this > time.....too much at stake...Trump will not win. > > > > >
