Monkey with a machine gun. That is what I think of Trump. And I am white, republican (kinda), Mormon living in Utah. Doesn’t get any more whitebread than that.
Replace the piano with a cruise missile: From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:28 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Time for me to weigh in here. Trump scares me. I'm not convinced he's actually going to behave in a way which matches his campaign persona. I'm also not convinced he isn't. What scares me is that he is very successfully stirring up the most extreme parts of our country. He's pushing all the right buttons for the people who believe this country has slid. Throw out all the Mexicans because they're all murderous rapists. Kill ISIS. Close our borders. IF it's an extreme position (on either side), he's pushing those buttons. And somehow gaining voters because of it (which is even more scary). Just him running for president seems to be tearing our country apart. What the heck is going to happen if he's elected? On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Jeremy <[email protected]> wrote: Mirror image of the KKK?? Wow. I have yet to see guys in black hoods dragging white people behind their cars, throwing bricks through their windows, burning crosses, and hanging white people from trees. A bit of an overstatement don't you think? On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Glen Waldrop <[email protected]> wrote: Wow. Way to gang up guys. I have to agree with Rory here. Black Lives Matter has all but become the mirror image of the KKK. Sure, some of them are doing it for the right reasons, but like environmentalists, feminists and dozens of other –ists the wackos have hijacked what could have been something powerful, something good, and gone *way* over the line. One common thing among those groups are the very vocal fringe left. I’m sitting here in the middle watching both sides go completely apeshit crazy. Can no one sit back and look at the big picture? Are we so divided that logic has completely left the discussion? It certainly seems that way and not just on the list. From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: You know what Ken, let’s do this. You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and failures. What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing, then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that color is used as an excuse. The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering outside this country because they can’t find enough engineering talent within our own borders because our culture and education failed an entire generation. And as for Obama, his policies have escalated this problem, including unemployment, a poor economy, lower standards of living, hatred of police and authority, and racial division and escalation. So if you are big supporter of him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there. You want the truth, that’s it. So bring it on Ken. I’ll back my conclusions with the facts from the Census bureau, the FBI, the U.S Department of the Interior, the U.S. Bureau of Labor, and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but those facts won’t matter will they? Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:25 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call your out for it. Why is that over the line? You have made some pretty inflammatory statements, but it seems you can’t take any criticism? We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always notice is we are not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white men. That leads to the belief that prejudice is OK because everyone here thinks that way too. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? That’s out of line Ken, at any level. What matters to me is that the violence fostered by ignorant people in our society who don’t contribute, but foster racial hatred and disdain for the Constitution, the Laws of this country, and want special treatment. I don’t give a crap what color they are but they keep bringing it up. Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc… The rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s liberals that won’t let race go because they need it to stay in power. You want to attack me for my beliefs Ken, that’s fine. You want to call me a racist, what I really want to tell you will get me banned. I’m done with this and Ken, please don’t ever speak to me again. You went too far. Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Black people really seem to set you off. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun fire. I really doubt the Trump supporters are doing that. Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to accept bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that person can do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff.... watch closely the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior.... (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and throwing punches at the person being lead out....).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of us who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not very good for anyone.... As such their is rising concern. The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control.... historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the bottle, no one has been able to control it ..... :) Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like Facebook. Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Fault? Its human nature....you push me and I push back...most fights start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to old days....what civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to the older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to murder of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit more. I normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.....too much at stake...Trump will not win. -- Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 [email protected] | http://www.packetflux.com
