And GM still won't get rid of active fuel management. Instead, they enable it in eco mode only on the '16 'vette. I absolutely hate it in the LC9 in my Silverado. It saves no fuel. Those lifters are noisy pieces of shit. And the AFM cylinders burn oil. EGR sends it right back in and carbons up all of the cylinders and intake valves. Then the oil control rings start to stick which makes consumption even worse. Ask me how I know. Seriously, a quart of oil in 2k miles is normal!? The ethanol gas doesn't help either. The LS based design was one of the most reliable engines ever produced. They ruined a perfectly good system with the fucking AFM. I can't wait until my warranty is up so I can rip out that cam and lifters. I will never buy another GM product.

On 4/1/2016 3:22 PM, Jeremy wrote:
Hmmm....two 2016 Corvette Stingrays or one Tesla. I'd rather have a vette for half the price.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Josh Luthman <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Nuclear should be the cheapest resource, but that is only a single
    factor in the price all the way to your door.

    Josh Luthman
    Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
    Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
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    Troy, OH 45373

    On Apr 1, 2016 4:05 PM, "Paul Stewart" <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        Or Nuclear …. That’s what most power is around here (Ontario,
        Canada) but that probably explains our insanely high price we
        pay for electricity too (which makes electric cars even less
        attractive despite substantial incentives from government to
        buy them) … one thing that will only last for a while here too
        is that all electric cars here have automatic access to high
        occupancy express lanes regardless of how many passengers  -
        nice perk for now I’ll admit

        *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg
        *Sent:* Friday, April 1, 2016 12:39 AM
        *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

        Your making an assumption on the source.  Could be Hydro,
        Coal, or Solar.


        Regards,
        Chuck

        On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:36 AM, Josh Luthman
        <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.

            Josh Luthman
            Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
            Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
            1100 Wayne St
            Suite 1337
            Troy, OH 45373

            On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                At a pretty cheaper cost too.


                Regards,
                Chuck

                On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett
                <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                    You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a
                    wall or charging station. No difference. Same
                    actions, just different object.



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                    *From: *"Chuck McCown" <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>>
                    *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                    *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM


                    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else
                    is getting one?

                    But you don’t.  That is the point. I have a
                    charger at home and at work and at my other work.
                    3-5 seconds. None if  you have a passenger do it
                    for you...

                    *From:*Mike Hammett <mailto:[email protected]>

                    *Sent:*Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM

                    *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

                    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is
                    getting one?

                    You still have most of those hassles with
                    electric. You still have them all if you're not at
                    a free charging location.



                    -----
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                    Intelligent Computing Solutions
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                    *From: *"Chuck McCown" <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>>
                    *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                    *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM
                    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else
                    is getting one?

                    Time it. You will be surprised.  5 minutes. Gotta
                    drive in, park, get out, gas cap off, swipe card,
                    wait for authentication, select fuel, wait for
                    beep, put hose in, pull trigger. Wait a couple of
                    minutes, reverse all of the above, stand in rain,
                    snow gas fumes, noise.

                    From the moment you leave the street to being back
                    on the street 5 minutes.

                    And it costs you money!

                    I charge with solar.

                    *From:*Josh Luthman
                    <mailto:[email protected]>

                    *Sent:*Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM

                    *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

                    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is
                    getting one?

                    We drive past gas stations every day.  It's what,
                    2 minutes?

                    If you travel >200 miles your time table is
                    screwed as you need to charge.  Your route also
                    can't be the scenic one.

                    It costs more than my current car which I have
                    today and I doubt it comes close in terms of comfort.

                    Oh and the auto pilot doesn't try to hit oncoming
                    traffic. That's a nice upside!

                    Josh Luthman
                    Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
                    Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
                    1100 Wayne St
                    Suite 1337
                    Troy, OH 45373

                    On Apr 1, 2016 12:03 AM, "Chuck McCown"
                    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                        Silent neck  snapping acceleration and never
                        stopping to gas up...

                        If your daily trips are fairly short, you
                        would only have to plug in once a week.

                        There is nothing but upside here.

                        *From:*Josh Luthman
                        <mailto:[email protected]>

                        *Sent:*Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:00 PM

                        *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

                        *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who
                        else is getting one?

                        Even if it were 5 seconds that would be more
                        time every two weeks than what I spend at a
                        gas station.  Then I have to pay for power
                        anyway...

                        Not a fan of the front end duck bill.  The
                        rear has too much Prius. Side looks great.
                        Interior looked unfinished or space aged.

                        115k preorders for something you won't see in
                        two years, though?  Woof.

                        Josh Luthman
                        Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
                        Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
                        1100 Wayne St
                        Suite 1337
                        Troy, OH 45373

                        On Mar 31, 2016 11:34 PM, "Chuck McCown"
                        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                            It takes 5 seconds to plug in and you wave
                            at every gas station as you pass it.

                            *From:*Josh Luthman
                            <mailto:[email protected]>

                            *Sent:*Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:02 PM

                            *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

                            *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who
                            else is getting one?

                            No interest really. Plugging in every time
                            I get home? Yuck.  I love the updates they
                            do with the Model S and the API power is
                            really awesome, but I'm more for NA over
                            boost, let alone electric.

                            I saw the website and thought "Who's going
                            to preorder a car that won't be announced
                            for another hour?". IPhone users :P

                            Josh Luthman
                            Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
                            Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
                            1100 Wayne St
                            Suite 1337
                            Troy, OH 45373

                            On Mar 31, 2016 10:57 PM, "Simon Westlake"
                            <[email protected]
                            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                                One day!

                                On 3/31/2016 9:54 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

                                    Gerard and I just put our
                                    pre-orders in..anyone else?

                                    Regards,
                                    Chuck


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