god that's some disgusting rhetoric :-/ Geeze
-Sean On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: > So, OT from the voting ID OT ;) > > I was browsing through fox news tonight because hey, I try to pay > attention to multiple news sources. I may not agree with many of the things > I read, but I still do read them because I think it's important to get > other people's views. > > The follow is screenshots of what I saw. > > > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0sbuukgnmwa3zae/AACcSkadXx5bvsNICPMalljPa?dl=0&preview=Screenshot+(219).png > (click through the different ones in that folder) > > Shameful. Baseless partisan name-slinging, disrespect for the office of > the President of the United States, and racism. Most of this stuff doesn't > have anything to do with the article at all, it's just a soapbox > for bigoted blowhards. Is this really the base that Fox News wants to > cultivate? If so, shame on them. > > On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Cameron Crum <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: > >> Birth certificates and records have been around a long time, and they are >> free the first time you get one. So you're saying if you are irresponsible >> and lose it, you shouldn't have to pay to get a new one? What if you were >> irresponsible and lost your pilots license...would you have to pay for a >> new one of those? The states have gone out of their way to make it as easy >> as possible to get a free id for those who are too incompetent or too >> indigent to afford them. If a person can't manage that, I'm guessing they >> aren't going to take the time to vote. There has to be some level of >> responsibility involved on the voter's behalf. I know responsibility is a 4 >> letter word to most liberals, but it really does benefit the world when you >> take it for yourself. >> >> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Mathew Howard <[email protected] >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >> >>> How would they know if there was voter fraud? Personally, I think the >>> whole argument is pretty much a waste of time on both sides, since neither >>> the fraud nor the supposed disenfranchisement is actually likely to be >>> enough to have any real effect on the elections... other than maybe in >>> Chicago :P >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected] >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >>> >>>> Certainly non existent in Chicago.... right.... No fraud about it. >>>> You pay good money for good votes. >>>> >>>> *From:* Sean Heskett <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected] <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer= >>>> >>>> Voter fraud is vertically non existent >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <[email protected] >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times? >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Sean Heskett >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM >>>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]'); >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>>> >>>>> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll >>>>> tax specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's >>>>> right >>>>> to vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. >>>>> >>>>> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate >>>>> you need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive >>>>> today were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru >>>>> the >>>>> years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. >>>>> >>>>> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have >>>>> one so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so >>>>> sorry. Try harder. >>>>> >>>>> -Sean >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < >>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass >>>>>> tests, pay money. >>>>>> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass >>>>>> tests, pay money. >>>>>> Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to >>>>>> vote or to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case >>>>>> of >>>>>> a passport, pay money. >>>>>> >>>>>> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our >>>>>> style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you >>>>>> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to >>>>>> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting >>>>>> to >>>>>> control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable >>>>>> unreasonable barrier to entry. Some folks are just born into sucky >>>>>> situations. Affirmative action did not seem to erase that. >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Sean Heskett >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM >>>>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]'); >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>>>> >>>>>> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but >>>>>> have y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other >>>>>> public transportation and few people own a car??? >>>>>> >>>>>> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used >>>>>> public transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in >>>>>> the ass to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to >>>>>> navigate >>>>>> on foot or by bike. >>>>>> >>>>>> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked >>>>>> tobacco. Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the >>>>>> discounts) and whatever cash I had on hand. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Sean >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < >>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Should they be allowed to drive? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM >>>>>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]'); >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>>>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then >>>>>>> 75% of 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or >>>>>>> means, to obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum < >>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do >>>>>>> they drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank >>>>>>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of >>>>>>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about >>>>>>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want >>>>>>> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard < >>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of >>>>>>>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they >>>>>>>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree >>>>>>>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks >>>>>>>> otherwise. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett < >>>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're >>>>>>>>> all racist. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're >>>>>>>>> just fine with that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" < >>>>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> >>>>>>>>> *To: *"af" <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> >>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>>>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google >>>>>>>>> tells me they require one of the following: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of >>>>>>>>> Public Safety (DPS) >>>>>>>>> - Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >>>>>>>>> - Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >>>>>>>>> - Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >>>>>>>>> - United States military identification card containing the >>>>>>>>> person’s photograph >>>>>>>>> - United States citizenship certificate containing the >>>>>>>>> person’s photograph >>>>>>>>> - United States passport >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't >>>>>>>>> really see anything inconsistent there. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... >>>>>>>>> and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you >>>>>>>>> can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a >>>>>>>>> birth >>>>>>>>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're >>>>>>>>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring >>>>>>>>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett < >>>>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because >>>>>>>>>> of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that >>>>>>>>>> only a >>>>>>>>>> super conservative "republican" could ever win. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots >>>>>>>>>> have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than >>>>>>>>>> .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person >>>>>>>>>> voting with >>>>>>>>>> an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth >>>>>>>>>> certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can >>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>> your hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student >>>>>>>>>> ID...even if >>>>>>>>>> the student ID was issued by a state school. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair >>>>>>>>>> 2. Make America great?!?! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Sean >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett < >>>>>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "conservative minority" HAH! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, >>>>>>>>>>> while indeed a minority fight for or against most things. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal >>>>>>>>>>> and illegal immigration. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in >>>>>>>>>>> Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties >>>>>>>>>>> gerrymander and it >>>>>>>>>>> sucks. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why >>>>>>>>>>> should the most important thing be any different? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical >>>>>>>>>>> conversation. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block >>>>>>>>>>> Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to >>>>>>>>>>> solve a non-issue...PERIOD! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one >>>>>>>>>>> liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his >>>>>>>>>>> motivation >>>>>>>>>>> was the same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South >>>>>>>>>>> Americans because most of the illegal immigrants are forms >>>>>>>>>>> Countries south >>>>>>>>>>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because >>>>>>>>>>> at that >>>>>>>>>>> time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind >>>>>>>>>>> me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. >>>>>>>>>>> Those who >>>>>>>>>>> have no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South >>>>>>>>>>> Americans migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid >>>>>>>>>>> in my >>>>>>>>>>> opinion. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud >>>>>>>>>>> of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda >>>>>>>>>>> of this >>>>>>>>>>> country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would >>>>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>>>> see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority >>>>>>>>>>> because they >>>>>>>>>>> have to gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to >>>>>>>>>>> win. >>>>>>>>>>> Social security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> prevent the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their >>>>>>>>>>> policies and rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself >>>>>>>>>>> into a million pieces...you reap what you sow. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> America is already fucking great! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see >>>>>>>>>>> American politicians act this poorly. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2 cents >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Sean >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer >>>>>>>>>>>> up front. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The >>>>>>>>>>>> negotiation is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and >>>>>>>>>>>> starts this >>>>>>>>>>>> process and is bound and determined to make it happen, extremities >>>>>>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>>>>> discussed (or thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then >>>>>>>>>>>> adjustments get made. The point of a wall WILL be built, coming >>>>>>>>>>>> from him, >>>>>>>>>>>> gets it started, and having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in >>>>>>>>>>>> whatever way >>>>>>>>>>>> that takes) will get people’s attention. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course >>>>>>>>>>>> not. Is it helpful and one part of the total solution needed? >>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely. There IS NO border with the U.S. right now. What is >>>>>>>>>>>> there is >>>>>>>>>>>> a façade. Trump is crude and I wish he would tone down the >>>>>>>>>>>> rhetoric a bit >>>>>>>>>>>> (for everybody’s benefit, including himself), but this country >>>>>>>>>>>> needs action >>>>>>>>>>>> in so, so many areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do >>>>>>>>>>>> anything >>>>>>>>>>>> that isn’t buried in PC or politics or corruption or power or all >>>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>>> above. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the >>>>>>>>>>>> subject. But, I *still believe in America* and its strength >>>>>>>>>>>> and there is been absolutely nothing done in recent time to >>>>>>>>>>>> maintain or >>>>>>>>>>>> increase its strength… only further dilution and division and >>>>>>>>>>>> flailing >>>>>>>>>>>> discourse at an unprecedented level historically. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country >>>>>>>>>>>> fan” >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Paul >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime >>>>>>>>>>>> Solorza >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>>>>>>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What a fucking idiot idea....from a fucking idiot.... did I say >>>>>>>>>>>> fucking idiot..oh yes I did >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> >> >
