Watch out for them Canucks....they are quietly plotting something....
On Apr 9, 2016 10:01 AM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I got it checked on border crossings into/out of Canada.
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> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
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> On 4/8/2016 9:05 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> i hope i never get asked to show my pilot's license ;-) knock on wood,
> never have been ramp checked.
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Funny, I have never been asked to show my pilot’s license.
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum <[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:22 PM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> Birth certificates and records have been around a long time, and they are
>> free the first time you get one. So you're saying if you are irresponsible
>> and lose it, you shouldn't have to pay to get a new one? What if you were
>> irresponsible and lost your pilots license...would you have to pay for a
>> new one of those? The states have gone out of their way to make it as easy
>> as possible to get a free id for those who are too incompetent or too
>> indigent to afford them. If a person can't manage that, I'm guessing they
>> aren't going to take the time to vote. There has to be some level of
>> responsibility involved on the voter's behalf. I know responsibility is a 4
>> letter word to most liberals, but it really does benefit the world when you
>> take it for yourself.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How would they know if there was voter fraud? Personally, I think the
>>> whole argument is pretty much a waste of time on both sides, since neither
>>> the fraud nor the supposed disenfranchisement is actually likely to be
>>> enough to have any real effect on the elections... other than maybe in
>>> Chicago :P
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Certainly non existent in Chicago.... right.... No fraud about it.
>>>> You pay good money for good votes.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Sean Heskett <[email protected]>
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM
>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer=
>>>>
>>>> Voter fraud is vertically non existent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times?
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
>>>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>>>
>>>>> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll
>>>>> tax specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's
>>>>> right
>>>>> to vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru.
>>>>>
>>>>> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate
>>>>> you need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive
>>>>> today were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru
>>>>> the
>>>>> years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have
>>>>> one so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so
>>>>> sorry. Try harder.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <
>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass
>>>>>> tests, pay money.
>>>>>> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass
>>>>>> tests, pay money.
>>>>>> Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to
>>>>>> vote or to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> a passport, pay money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our
>>>>>> style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you
>>>>>> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to
>>>>>> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable
>>>>>> unreasonable barrier to entry. Some folks are just born into sucky
>>>>>> situations. Affirmative action did not seem to erase that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
>>>>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but
>>>>>> have y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other
>>>>>> public transportation and few people own a car???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used
>>>>>> public transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in
>>>>>> the ass to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to
>>>>>> navigate
>>>>>> on foot or by bike.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked
>>>>>> tobacco. Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the
>>>>>> discounts) and whatever cash I had on hand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <
>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Should they be allowed to drive?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>>>>>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then
>>>>>>> 75% of 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or
>>>>>>> means, to obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum <
>>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do
>>>>>>> they drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
>>>>>>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
>>>>>>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
>>>>>>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
>>>>>>> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard <
>>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
>>>>>>>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
>>>>>>>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
>>>>>>>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
>>>>>>>> otherwise.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <
>>>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're
>>>>>>>>> all racist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're
>>>>>>>>> just fine with that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
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>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <
>>>>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>
>>>>>>>>> *To: *"af" <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>
>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>>>>>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google
>>>>>>>>> tells me they require one of the following:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of
>>>>>>>>> Public Safety (DPS)
>>>>>>>>> - Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>>>>>>>> - Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>>>>>>>> - Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>>>>>>>> - United States military identification card containing the
>>>>>>>>> person’s photograph
>>>>>>>>> - United States citizenship certificate containing the
>>>>>>>>> person’s photograph
>>>>>>>>> - United States passport
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't
>>>>>>>>> really see anything inconsistent there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable...
>>>>>>>>> and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you
>>>>>>>>> can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a
>>>>>>>>> birth
>>>>>>>>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're
>>>>>>>>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring
>>>>>>>>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <
>>>>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because
>>>>>>>>>> of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that
>>>>>>>>>> only a
>>>>>>>>>> super conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots
>>>>>>>>>> have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than
>>>>>>>>>> .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person
>>>>>>>>>> voting with
>>>>>>>>>> an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth
>>>>>>>>>> certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can
>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>> your hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student
>>>>>>>>>> ID...even if
>>>>>>>>>> the student ID was issued by a state school.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair
>>>>>>>>>> 2. Make America great?!?!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <
>>>>>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less,
>>>>>>>>>>> while indeed a minority fight for or against most things.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal
>>>>>>>>>>> and illegal immigration.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in
>>>>>>>>>>> Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties
>>>>>>>>>>> gerrymander and it
>>>>>>>>>>> sucks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why
>>>>>>>>>>> should the most important thing be any different?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical
>>>>>>>>>>> conversation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>> *To: *[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
>>>>>>>>>>> Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to
>>>>>>>>>>> solve a non-issue...PERIOD!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one
>>>>>>>>>>> liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his
>>>>>>>>>>> motivation
>>>>>>>>>>> was the same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South
>>>>>>>>>>> Americans because most of the illegal immigrants are forms
>>>>>>>>>>> Countries south
>>>>>>>>>>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because
>>>>>>>>>>> at that
>>>>>>>>>>> time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind
>>>>>>>>>>> me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants.
>>>>>>>>>>> Those who
>>>>>>>>>>> have no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South
>>>>>>>>>>> Americans migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid
>>>>>>>>>>> in my
>>>>>>>>>>> opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud
>>>>>>>>>>> of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda
>>>>>>>>>>> of this
>>>>>>>>>>> country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would
>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>> see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority
>>>>>>>>>>> because they
>>>>>>>>>>> have to gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to
>>>>>>>>>>> win.
>>>>>>>>>>> Social security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> prevent the old, sick
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...
